RAV4 starts at ~$62.8 with the most expensive being ~$85.5k.
Model Y starts at ~$73k with the most expensive being ~$85.9k.
At the lower end of the scale, neither is a good car, but especially the RAV4.
2025 RAV4
Starting MSRP $29,250
But not including "Delivery, Processing and Handling Fee" $1,545 (USD) or sales tax, which varies by state/county, typically around 8.25%. So the minimum subtotal is $30,795 USD or grand total $33,335. Fees and prices are (or were) somewhat negotiable.
Also:
2025 RAV4 XLE $35,490 ("Dealer Advertised Price - San Marcos Toyota")
Makes me wish IA had regional captures to consider Anycast because what someone in one region saw isn't necessarily what someone else in another saw.
Missing wiper stalks - am I really supposed to search for a wiper enable somewhere on a screen while I am driving and can't see in sudden rain?
Missing transmission control - Any kind of Y turn now needs a display to switch from R to D.
Driving performance is incredibly subjective and I would not throw these stones while driving Tesla with stiff suspension feeling every pothole in my butt.
Every car has air filtration, most of them can filter our pollen no problem.
One could say that Tesla has horrible entertainment system when one can't even connect his phone through Android Auto / Apple CarPlay.
Pollen filter is nowhere near the efficacy of HEPA filters.
No one really complains about it. If anything people would never go back to stalks.
> Using screen to get wipers working
IIRC buttons on steering wheel.
> I think that your opinion might be skewed by social bubble you live in
I think that's you tho.
> sales numbers are telling a different story
RAV4 toppled Tesla by like 9000 cars, mostly due MY being refreshed. Toyota will be continue to be destroyed by Tesla and Chinese EVs, IMO too slowly tho.
Reading reviews of journalist switching to electric cars it often seems to go ok until they are stranded at midnight with no power and screaming kids because some charger was out of operation and they say that's it and return to petrol.
Likelihood of replacing Tesla's battery - less than 1%.
And sure PHEVs do have their use cases - living somewhere where no charge infrastructure exists AND hauling huge loads over long distances - sure! But that use case is like less than 1% for family SUV (and perhaps less than 10% for truck).
Getting stranded with no power and screaming kids can happen with petrol too, it has nothing to do with technology.
incomingpain•7mo ago
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Daneel_•7mo ago
The most expensive RAV4 is around AUD$65,000, while the cheapest Telsa Model Y is around AUD$70,000.
hermitcrab•7mo ago
incomingpain•7mo ago
During the George W Bush presidency, something they figured out is that you want to drive the democrats crazy with bush derangement.
Then it's turned around to make the democrats seem irrational. Obviously there's many democrats or even Carney here in Canada who have done nazi salutes.
Lots of fence sitters are tired of the false nazi allegations.
hermitcrab•7mo ago
Do you sincerely believe that it was an 'accidental' Nazi salute (twice)?