Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? The only role of government here should be in ensuring sufficient competition and information for the purchaser.
I'm the one carrying the bag, not them. If they aren't doing work they should not be allowed to charge extra.
If it is carry on, it's with you at all times and unlikely to get lost or damaged.
Because some airlines have crazy fee structures that makes comparing prices impossible.
Streamlining services fosters fair competition.
That's the thing they're charging for :)
> Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene?
I am skeptical of intervention generally, but #1) it got out of hand entirely, particularly RyanAir, #2) they're intervening because that's the law. They're finally getting around to enforcing it. This is where the They the People drew a line w/r/t opportunity to charge fees.
Most importantly, you didn't expect to get charged the fee for your small bag. That gives us a revealed preference, the most honest of all.
Had a couple flights where it sort felt like the Best Buy Protection Plan sales scenario, where that was what the gate's crew perceived as a core duty.
(I hear ya, I was going to go with the more concise argument that this is about price transparency, rather than go off experience or handwaving about anecdotes or "everyone knows...", but realized it'd just turn into anecdata vs. anecdata)
What’s worse, you’re forced to buy a bundle with ‘Priority Boarding’ just to get cabin luggage - no option to buy it alone.
The ‘priority boarding’ option is a scam in itself: you pay extra just to stand around in a crowded corridor for about 30-40 minutes while the last passengers get off and the plane, then the cleaning crew takes the trash out of the plane. Ryanair planes don't seem to get cleaned anymore between two flights, no time for that.
Capitalism has an ugly downside: when growth stops, shareholders continue to demand the same or more growth even though there isn’t any to be had. Customers get screwed until there’s an intervention.
Score one for functional government!
You can easily carry 2 weeks of clothes in a backpack. I guess goodbye to 20 euro flight deals it is because they're just gonna raise all the prices by 50 bucks to compensate I guess
https://www.tomtoc.com/products/40l-travel-backpack-carry-on
How many and what kind of clothes did you carry and what was your folding method (if you can explain)? I can't believe "weeks worth".
Can take even less if you do laundry once at the half way point.
It also depends on where we are going. If I am going to the Middle East, I will not need much besides two robes. :D
Alaska? Yeah, gotta pack up.
As somebody who was recently 2 weeks abroad, no you can't. My backpack would have laptop, chargers and 2 weeks of underwear and would be full. Unless you are talking about some huge hiking style backpack, but that won't get into cabin because personal will force you to check it in.
Even after EU explicitly trying to curb dark patterns for website cookies, I can't recall having ever seen the "only functional cookies" option displayed in the same UI language as the "all cookies" option. The latter will always the one that is prominently highlighted.
Are these the combined dimensions? I.e. W + D + H?
Edit: to answer my own question, that seems to indeed to be the meaning according to [1]. And it can weigh a max. of 7kg.
Most airlines in the EU currently allow 10kg for cabin baggage and people got used to that. So that's where they will probably have a (new) way to keep charging fees.
[1] https://ftnnews.com/travel-news/aviation/eu-plans-to-ban-car...
I think Ryanair was a trend setter back in the day for charging for absolutely everything.
So much that that a song was written about it (published 14 years ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc
Terrible news. Flying is way too cheap as it is.
Can you explain your meaning or rationale? I’m guessing eco-/environment related?
What about students flying somewhere for the weekend on Ryanair armed with only a credit card and (maybe) an extra pair of underpants? Do they now have to subsidize my carry-on bag?
also, look a bit further. they want to make rail competitive. here they're doing it in classic EU manner of raising the cost of competition instead of making rail more efficient (it is a nightmare to buy tickets for cross-border travel.)
Unless you're saying the EU is trying to boost rail by making air travel more expensive with the carry-on rule.
If the charges didn't exist the cost would just be spread out across all travellers.
The EU law is good if the ticket price doesn't rise up, but I fear it will go up the same amount as the bag used to cost.
It also removes the ability to optimise. Even if you pack light, buy clothes at the destination, or send your stuff by mail - you still pay for a bag. And as another poster said, it'll encourage people to take more luggage, which won't all fit in the overhead compartments.
If you didn't do this; and it was say a more reasonable €5 - or even free, you'd get a lot of people coming to the airport without a boarding pass. This is actually super expensive to offer, because it's not the cost of staff itself, it's the fact you need to rent a desk off the airport, and it turns out airport desk space is _not_ cheap. Flights are often very peaky too, so you might need 5-10 check in desks to cover the morning rush, which are then empty for the next few hours. Or don't and you get hammered in the press for huge queues and people missing flights because it took an hour to print a boarding pass.
This EU legislation is also poorly thought through. As many have said I've often done same day or one night trips for work where I do not need anything past a backpack. Now a lot of people will take cabin baggage that could have otherwise took a rucksack, but the problem is a high density LCC airplane configuration does not have enough overhead luggage space for that. So now you need to check it in, which is expensive for the airline and time consuming for the passenger.
It would be far simpler for them to require flight fares/price comparison sites to include one piece of overhead cabin baggage in the cost, with a discount available (but no ability to advertise that price until late in checkout). This would allow comparisons to work properly across airlines, which is what I assume was the end goal here.
Either way it's not a big deal and I don't think should have been a priority for the EU.
- The fee is absolutely not a rounding error to Ryanair. We are talking about tickets that cost €9-15. They rely on these extra charges to make their money back.
- They already have counters at the airport. In fact you have to go to them to drop off check in bags and/or weigh your carry ons.
- Mobile boarding passes already exist, and most other airlines use them. If it was really about cost savings Ryanair & co. would embrace them fully.
You honestly think Ryanair makes serious money from reprinting boarding passes? I doubt I have ever seen anyone at the Ryanair ticket desk at STN for example. That compares to the 50k+ passengers a day that go through STN on Ryanair. Baggage charges of course, as is with food, but boarding passes is not a money maker for them.
Those counters don't typically print tickets, it's a different "ticketing" counter.
WTF are you talking about? (a) Ticketing counters sell tickets. (b) To print a boarding pass you just need a printer, which is already present on ALL baggage drop off counters. It is the same printer that prints the baggage labels.
If you book their flights via agent (I had because of somewhat complex flight and I didn't want to enter details 4 times) then you can't really access their checkin page since agent uses their email address and Ryanair doesn't let you just use PNR + Name anymore (increasingly popular with other airlines too). My agency was still sleeping at the time of flight and badaboom badabing I had to pay €200+ for checking in 6 people.
FWIW they do now have a page where you can verify with just email + PNR https://onlineform.ryanair.com/gb/en/customer-verification
Good for the EU.
Thing is, the majority of people pay for a carry on allowance or checked-in luggage, so this rule isn't going to make airlines cheaper. The ticket prices will just go up to match.
Should an airline charge more for a heavier passenger.. because technically the plane does more lifting. Should a restaurant charge for cutlery?
It's good to rein in enshittification everywhere.
stavros•6h ago
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userbinator•6h ago
A seat.
ajmurmann•6h ago
dale_glass•6h ago
But I believe Ryanair considered trying not to use seats at one point.
sidewndr46•6h ago
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rjh29•5h ago
Although in both cases, it's hard to tell if they were serious, or just doing PR.
jopsen•6h ago
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dzhiurgis•4h ago
Also business flights are kinda affordable if you really shop around.
CamperBob2•6h ago
The expectation that you eventually reach your destination alive.
That's it, from the airlines' perspective.
jopsen•6h ago
Tell me, when you fly as freight do pay to have the box labelled "fragile" :)
dheera•6h ago
Carry-on fees are a whole another level of shittiness though. I, the customer, am the one carrying the bag, there should be no reason to charge for it.
It's like charging extra for wearing a red shirt or charging extra for wearing a hat.
kelnos•5h ago
It's on the plane, so it takes up some of the limited storage space, and increases the weight of the plane, which means more fuel burned.
Saying you carry the bag so there's no reason to charge for it is like saying you carry yourself onto the plane, so there's no reason to charge you for the flight ticket.
So either they build the average per-passenger cost into the price of every ticket, or they charge a fee only for people who want to take on the extra bag.
ftth_finland•2h ago
What you are looking for is charging passengers per weight.
toomuchtodo•6h ago
At some point, you have to say no to further enshittification and price discrimination optimization.
epolanski•6h ago
> Europe's airline market is built on choice. Forcing a mandatory trolley bag strips passengers of that choice and obliges passengers to pay for services they may not want or need
In any case I'm for it, I'm sick of finding how much am I really paying after 10 minutes of form filling. Price comparators are absolutely useless since they don't include such basic fees like a small trolley.
amarcheschi•6h ago
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majormajor•6h ago
A market isn't made more efficient by consumers having to do more research and homework around "what are the hidden fees that might surprise me?"
I haven't flow budget airlines in the EU but in the US the budget ones often end up more expensive for the average customer after re-adding all the fees. So it's not just "don't charge people who won't use it," it's "have leverage to charge more for it by making people only realize they have to pay for it later."
(Though to be completely honest, carry-on baggage has gone fairly nuts since airlines started charging for checked bags.)
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IshKebab•6h ago
This is due to supply and demand. Basically the price of something depends partly on how much people are willing to pay for it. On average, people don't value the extra cabin baggage at the price the airline charges, so they can't charge everyone that fee. It would be inefficient and they would lose money if they tried.
They might increase prices a little... But the most efficient price increase might be surprisingly small.
mrtksn•6h ago
It's not even like one of those tricks for upselling as for most people 0 baggage doesn't make sense and it turns into a hidden fee.
So I guess they will increase the prices of 20 + 40 tickets to 50 to compensate for all the lost cabin baggage sales and some people will be really upset that they can't have the 20 tickets anymore. Meanwhile people will be able to compare the full cost of their flight with the cost of a train or bus alternatives.
IMHO they should make it compulsory to display the minimum cost of transfer to the airport. Often those 9EUR Ryanair tickets actually cost 100EUR+ because they fly to airports that don't have reasonable transfer options and you pay multiples of your flight for transport to and from the airport.
When you put in all the costs you realize that 9EUR plane tickets is more expensive than 100EUR+ train ticket.
okanat•5h ago