[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/telegram-pavel-durov-travel-...
Also a state where a police makes the laws is called a police state.
For example, East Germany was a police state, so Europe has a rich history on the topic.
Most legislative bodies make a lot of legislature that keeps things away from people, like GDPR. That's "authoritarian" if by "authoritarian" you mean "more legislation". If by "authoritarian" you mean "more interference with people's lives" then it's actually anti-authoritarian.
The only authoritarian moves are the ones by radical right national parties in the member states of the EU.
In the USA our founding fathers wrote the constitution to limit government, not citizens. For sure, we have strayed away from this ideal, but things here are not as bad as apparently they are in the EU.
1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ylva_Johansson?wprov=sfti1#Sur...
Related: you are in an audit. The auditor asks you if you know what the time is. Correct answer: yes.
Because the current administration of the U.S is creating its own legal monstrosities, people should just clam up about a complete grab on communications privacy from another major government?
In no way did I suggest that European citizens should become complacent. I just wanted to question if the government commissioning a report which suggests they take a further look at some actions which could possibly infringe on privacy and which explicitly talks about doing it with respect to national privacy laws is really do much worse than people being disappeared by a government who is openly hostile to the rulings of the courts as well as to the media who dare to question it.
If there was any whatabout then it was in the GP comment, so maybe direct your ire towards them.
If this is enabled, all they will get to see is LOL cats, data they would really want to see will still be invisible to them.
We now live in a world where the opposite routinely happens: a crime happens, you give the police access to Apple or Google's Find Device / Find My data, they throw it in the trash. Law enforcement has more data to find and procecute criminals than they have time. People get scammed out of money by the thousands every day, over the phone, an insanely easy system to tap and trace. No one gets arrested.
Who is actually repeatedly pushing for things like these within the EU? For what purpose? What crimes went unprocecuted because of the unability to perform mass surveillance like this? It seems that all the time, when law enforcement actually cares about, it's trivial for them to get evidence? So why does this keep popping up every year?
And then because it comes up in slides so much at that higher level, politicians actually start thinking that's why we haven't solved all crime, our guys are competent and clearly they're not understaffed, it's that pesky "not being able to break end to end encryption" that is preventing law enforcement from doing their work!
We have this exact same post multiple times a year, where an EU body proposes a bad encryption law and everyone gets angry about how authoritarian the EU is. And then everyone forgets about it before the elected representatives get to vote on it and they vote to reject it, but that doesn't get to the front page so it doesn't give everyone the opposite emotions.
Also, end-to-end encryption is a challenge to law enforcement - idk why you think that's a meme. If they could just spy on all citizens 24/7, they could solve crime so much more easily! (Now that's a meme)
From the article:
> Next year, the EU Commission is set to present a Technology Roadmap on encryption to identify and evaluate decrypting solutions. These technologies are expected to equip Europol officers from 2030.
> Now, lawmakers promise to be committed to finding the right balance between "allowing for efficient and future-proof solutions to facilitate law enforcement’s lawful access to digital information, while respecting the right to privacy and maintaining high levels of cybersecurity," said EU Commissioner for Internal Affairs and Migration, Magnus Brunner.
Basically the status now is "we've heard that most people think it is a really shitty idea, but we really, really think we can make it work and are going to come up with how! Just give us some time!"
It is misguided, wasted money and effort, and deserves to be called out as such; The chances of it actually being implemented are very, very small, however.
it's not a moral crusade. they don't give a shit about children. they don't give a shit about crime. to the people in power, crime - even the most heinous kind - is just background noise. the laughably short sentences given to the perpetrators of the most heinous crimes in the EU/UK reflect that.
mass surveillance is a means to identify and suppress dissent.
the people in power care only about maintaining it. it's that simple. and once you acknowledge that, it will finally make sense why the US/EU/UK are implementing the same measures that China and Russia do.
Now we have this introduced from the complete lunacy of the EU.
Could 2030 get any more worse?
He got the message out there, we just didn't listen.
But there are other, maybe less known apps. Will all github repos that try to achieve e2ee be shut down? Won’t such apps just move to Tor?
Hacker News intentionally doesn't comply with it, by the way - as a pure USA website which doesn't take payments, they didn't really have to, but they chose to make an ideology out of it anyway.
Is this essentially the EU empowering its constituent nation states to deeply compromise security practices? Or is this just basic capability building for mass communication surveillance?
There is little a private man can do against state actors. Of course, I could operate my encrypted backups with my antique Raspberry Pi in a Faraday cage. But … really?
Also, how does this not backfire when taking account third accounts?
perihelions•7mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168134 ("EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass surveillance proposal", 292 comments)