I found the parts about patching and frames with different blend modes very fascinating. I wonder if it would be possible to build a GUI DCC app that uses JpegXL as its project format. It seems that it could support layers, splines, symbols (transformed instances of layers), blend modes and animations without "baking" any of it to pixels
ekunazanu•8h ago
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MrAlex94•7h ago
On the web alone it should be close to a billion users with support for JXL due to Safari’s market share.
[1]: https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-how-it-started-how-its-g...
ndriscoll•7h ago
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account42•3h ago
But if you go getfirefox.com, click "Download Firefox" then there will be no JXL support not even behind any configuration flags. So no, it doesn't support it. There are also no plans to enable support with the current implementation.
kevincox•6h ago
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charcircuit•4h ago
greenavocado•2h ago
Firefox hasn't made a technical decision without first forwarding the minutes to Mountain View and Redmond since roughly 2017.
Every nine-figure Google wire lands promptly converts into $450 k-per-head salary vapor and off-site "all-hands," while the same week another 250 actual engineers get an email that begins: "You're talented and valued BUT-."
Servo? Jettisoned.
MDN? Gutted.
Security teams? Re-org'd into a Slack channel no one reads.
And the Foundation helpfully reminds donors:
"Your gifts don't pay for Firefox engineering."
No kidding. They pay for glossy pamphlets proclaiming the open-web gospel, first-class flights to "advocacy summits," and Mitchell Baker's $2.5 million thank-you note. Firefox isn't a browser; it's a loss-leader Google keeps in the closet for the next antitrust subpoena.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo•6h ago
Full release/production support will come when the (more or less drop in replacement) rust rewrite of libjxl is production ready.
throw0101c•6h ago
See:
* https://github.com/libjxl/jxl-rs
arp242•6h ago
This is also why Firefox doesn't support it by default (IIRC it doesn't even link against libjpegxl by default in release builds – only nightly ones).
There is nothing preventing the Chrome or Firefox people from revisiting all of this in the future.
It seems to me the Rust implementation of JPEG XL is by far the best path forward for broad JPEG XL support in Firefox, Chrome, and other browsers. While Rust is of course not a complete guarantee there will never be any security issues, it does eliminate virtually all of the major exploits that have targeted image decoders in the past. Both Firefox and Chrome have expressed interest in this.
badgersnake•6h ago
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Dwedit•3h ago
First, there's Lossy WEBP, based on VP8 video compression. It is better than JPEG, but mediocre by today's standards. Lossy AVIF and Lossy JXL greatly outclass lossy WEBP.
Second, there's Lossless WEBP, which is not in any way based on VP8. Lossless WEBP is a stellar image format that not only compresses very well, but also decompresses very quickly. Its biggest competition is Lossless JXL, which usually compresses to a smaller file, but decoding that image is slow enough to be annoying. Sometimes lossless WEBP produces a smaller file than lossless JXL.
kevincox•2h ago
arp242•5h ago
And "push WebP" for that purpose? Google as a whole benefits hugely from reduced image sizes.
Firefox also doesn't implement JXL as I mentioned. Are they trying to "push WebP" too now? This is such conspiratorial nonsense. No evidence for it at all. Doesn't even make any logical sense. Google literally worked (and continues to work) on JXL.
arccy•3h ago
lern_too_spel•3h ago
Maybe their stated reason for not enabling support in Chrome is the actual reason.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo•6h ago
- Mac OS, iOS, and Safari support JPEG-XL
- Windows has first party JPEG-XL support as of this year (admittedly it's opt in rather than default)
- Essentially every major image processing app, editor, or drawing app supports JPEG-XL
- Firefox has preliminary support for JPEG-XL gated behind a feature flag and the nightly release.
- The JPEG-XL team is writing a direct port of the reference libjxl library into rust[1]. There already exists a third party rust port by some of the mainline contributors and it has ironed out a lot of the issues with the porting process prior to this mainline port. This first party rust port is intended to be gradually brought up to a hardened, production ready state.
- Mozilla has stated they have no objections to fully adopting JPEG-XL in Firefox once the rust port is production ready [2].
The last major barriers other than getting the rust code production ready will be chrome and android's first party support/adoption.
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TLDR: JPEG-XL is very much not dead and instead people are nose down working hard to continue pushing its adoption forward.
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1. https://github.com/libjxl/jxl-rs
2. https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/pull/1064
ekunazanu•5h ago
I was not aware of this. Also judging by this and the sibling comments, it looks like the momentum didn't die despite Google's apathy. Hopefully the fact that their own team is now developing the rust port, as well as the growing support in other platforms, is enough to make Google reconsider its choices.
jeffbee•5h ago
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kllrnohj•4h ago
Google is a founding organization of jpeg-xl and are a core part of the team. Chromium punted it, but Google as an organization hasn't exactly since they haven't pulled out of jpegxl itself nor removed their engineers from it.
Big companies are big, they do conflicting things from time to time. Or often.
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