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VHS, VCDs, and Laserdiscs in Southeast Asia

https://rubenerd.com/vcds-and-laserdiscs-in-southeast-asia/
58•mikece•4d ago

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Svip•6h ago
What's the usage of the word 'factoid' when its use is clearly to just say 'fact'; considering the word 'factoid' actually means something that looks like a fact, but is ­– in fact – false? The fact that it should mean 'false fact' but may be used as 'true fact', makes the opening of this piece rather confusing.
thunderbong•6h ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/factoid

I was only familiar with the second definition -

- a briefly stated and usually trivial fact

happymellon•3h ago
I was only familiar with the first for a long time, until I realised that other people were using it in the same manner as literally.
reaperducer•2h ago
What's the usage of the word 'factoid' when its use is clearly to just say 'fact'

What's the use of the word "usage" when its use is clearly to just say "use?"

jnaina•6h ago
Brings back memories of VHS copies of bootleg and other questionable content (Pr0n) being sold in certain shops in Singapore (if you know where to find them) in 80s.
TrackerFF•5h ago
Were bootlegs popular?

The first time I traveled outside the western part of the world, I was (naively or not) surprised by the sheer amount of bootleg tapes sold in regular stores. Same with DVD when that time came around.

goosedragons•5h ago
I'm pretty sure they're still popular outside of the western world. At least for some things. eBay is filled with bootleg DVDs of Anime, TV shows, etc. There is no official Simpsons Season 21+ DVDs for example and yet they are not very hard to find...
idontwantthis•4h ago
TFA
fidotron•4h ago
Bootlegging of everything is a huge business.

Back in the 90s Singapore was such a big market for this that it acted as the major driver for motivating globally synchronized releases. i.e. for Reader's Digest magazine* in the US in 1995 if you did not release it on the same day in Singapore it would be easily available in pirated form within days, removing any ability to make money in that market for the legitimate product.

In UK pubs circa 2000 it was notorious that certain people would approach your table to sell you bootleg DVDs, and that if you indulged them you'd then get access to their "special" selection.

* And yes, that example is totally serious.

GlassOwAter•1h ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/EodajlNi0k4
jgalt212•4h ago
Very popular. Even Seinfeld got caught up in it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Kicks

joeblubaugh•2h ago
Bootlegging was massive in Malaysia. Whole floors of some of the high-rise malls in Johor Bahru were VCD shops.
selimthegrim•2h ago
Rainbow Centre in Karachi was a highlight of my childhood.
Scoundreller•2h ago
My friend that lived in Iran said you basically would have a guy that goes around and basically opens his trunk and offers bootlegs.

Sometimes they’d disappear for a while and you’d have to work with your existing collection or find a new guy.

But that was pre ubiquitous-ish high speed internet.

cgh•1h ago
In Thailand in the ‘90s, there were street vendors selling every dvd and cd you could think of, all bootlegs, complete with copied artwork and packaging. It was completely out in the open.
GuinansEyebrows•44m ago
same in Mexico. i remember buying a ton of nu-metal CDs from street vendors on vacation as a kid.
dylan604•50m ago
Even in the States, there were computer swap meets in my town, and VCDs were everywhere in the 90s at them. I remember the first time I saw one, and asked where the VCR was, but realized it looked different than a VHS would look. I had no idea at the time, but I would later go to work for a company that started with making interactive CDs, VCDS, and eventually DVDs. Not sure the bootleg market had anything to do with it, but I was at least knowledgeable about the format when asked in job interview. So evidence of one, bootlegging isn't all bad!
CYR1X•23m ago
Copy protection for physical media was so rudimentary back then. VHS tapes literally just have a piece of plastic you could break off that acted as copy protection. Everyone had CRT's so no one was a quality freak either, really.
criddell•19m ago
> VHS tapes literally just have a piece of plastic you could break off

I think that made the tapes read-only.

VHS copy protection was mostly some flavour of Macrovision (at least in Canada).

magnio•4h ago
Funnily enough, the article spent a paragraph explaining the initialism and acronym, only to refer to VCD as an acronym later.
OneFriend2575•3h ago
Loved this, such a good reminder that for a lot of us in SE Asia, VCDs weren’t just a format, they were basically the bridge between VHS bootlegs and early DVDs. Karaoke, bootlegs, family movies… it was all mixed in.

What’s interesting is how much the timing of official releases shaped all this. If you had to wait months for a cinema run or home video, the “street version” was too tempting to pass up.

justsomehnguy•2h ago
> the bridge between VHS bootlegs and early DVDs

What about DivX/XviD?

reaperducer•2h ago
What about DivX/XviD?

VCDs had broad hardware support, and were more mainstream.

I used to travel around Southeast Asia a bit, and whenever I was in Hong Kong, I'd load up on VCD movies at mainstream stores like HMV.

I still have VCD copies of The Incredibles and On Her Majesty's Secret Service I bought at HMV.

Projectiboga•2h ago
VCD were a format that put compressed video and sound onto a standard CD. That is where Mp3s sort of come from. The VCD actually used MPEG1layer2 for sound, but layer 3 came along and computer enthusiasts used that for audio in the mid 1990s. SVCDs came out in the later 90s They used the MPEG2 like Dvds and were often spread over multiple discs. DIVX came from a Microsoft program that had MPEG4 inside of the software, this and the wrapper AVI came together for the first internet distribution focused format. There was a Chinese DVD player and some mainstream ones that supported VCD and SVCD and later avis. There was an active scene modding certain Phillips DVD players in the early 2000s.
dylan604•36m ago
You left out the DIVX pushed by Circuit City with the DRM crap limiting the number of plays. I never truly looked into the format, but I once heard that the format would use IPB long-GOP encoding, but left out the B-frames and used in their place the code that made it locking. It's demise couldn't come fast enough. I seem to recall it needing a phone cable to work as well, but the wiki page does not mention that, but does mention something implying connectivity "The player's Security Module, which had an internal Real-Time Clock, ceased to allow DIVX functions after 30 days without a connection to the central system."[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX

2muchcoffeeman•3h ago
You can buy a vhs cleaner that accepts some alcohol and then fast forwards and rewinds through the tape. The alcohol would soak into a sponge bit and wipe the tape.

At least this is my recollection.

mlinhares•2h ago
Memory unlocked, incredible. I just clearly remembered doing this to re-record some stuff.
dylan604•45m ago
At the VHS dub house I worked, each of the recorders would be taken down once a month to have all of the rollers, head drum, and other parts of the tape path that made contact with the tape cleaned by hand by the engineering department. In the head end where the masters were played, we'd do the same thing on the master playback equipment at the beginning of each shift and possibly more frequently if the masters were of less quality or really old. The 1" machines were easy to clean, but the cassette formats were more difficult in having to pull the units out of the racks, remove the cover, blah blah.

At least this is my recollection. <shivers/> the really bad ol' days

esafak•2h ago
It's interesting that LaserDiscs were popular. They were quite niche in the West so I imagine they must have been expensive to produce. Who even made the machines?
CharlesW•2h ago
Pioneer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaserDisc_player
esafak•50m ago
Did they make writers?
ghaff•32m ago
I think they existed for (doubtless very expensive) niche professional purposes though formats were probably different. But not for consumers. Have a stack of lasdiscs in my garage which I sort of hate to just chuck but probably will someday.
dylan604•44m ago
Criterion Collection. nuff said
Scoundreller•2h ago
> It’s wild to me to think people can simply move overseas and interstate now and watch the same intertube programming, but that’s a different post.

This is still not easy without piracy, at least for liveTV.

dylan604•53m ago
Not easy, but not hard either. Same for the physical media. It just takes different ways/methods of skirting the same rules.
xxr•27m ago
I’m a little surprised that one of the supposed advantages of Laserdisc over tape is resistance to humidity. Wasn’t delamination/corrosion (LaserRot) a not-uncommon problem for LD? I’m guessing humidity issues (particularly mold) were much more pronounced with tape.
maxglute•7m ago
One of my neatest Beijing finds was an usually eloquent huckster (i.e. not a country bumpkin) leading me through maze of alleys and hallways to a VCD shop that repackaged discs into really nice matching spines and covers. Kind of like criterion collection / Nintendo switch games. Like analogue custom plex art - they had service where you can colorize your collection.

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