"An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age." Heavy opinion: Combined with AI, there is a story for unified app development. Something like Ada for the L1 and trust reciprocation, then something that creates app domain vocabularies for L2 development. That of course would be lisp.
lispitillo•15h ago
Sorry, but I don't get the meaning of your phrasing. I think that to use AI you must be very explicit and clear about what you want to design, and if Lisp provides some advantages one should define accurately the specific tool to use and when, how, and why.
I recall Norvig mentioning that other computer languages have taken many ideas from Lisp, those languages are also in the new civilization. Just to give an example: destructing-bind, apply and others are now done in javascript with a shorter syntax, and javascript without macros has excellent speed.
Jtsummers•14h ago
The quoted portion is a reference to an XKCD strip from earlier this century, https://xkcd.com/297/, which is a reference to Star Wars.
Their use of L1 and L2 should be read as "L" as "level" L1 is lower level, L2 is higher level. They're suggesting using Ada (or some other well-suited language) for the lower level trusted systems language and Lisp for the application language.
What it has to do with AI, I don't know. People want AI everywhere now.
lispitillo•15h ago
Perhaps instead of coding many small one day projects one could program one day projects that compose with each other. For example, I was thinking about developing a library that implements a version of J in Common Lisp (but I think fuel is lacking) so that, for example, the one day project named random-sample could be just:
randomSample =: 4 :'(x ? #y){y' NB. can't repeat.
randomSample =: 4 :'(? x # #y){y' can repeat.
So that, in many cases, one day projects could be reduced to one or two lines definitions (for those that know J that is the caveat).
monospacegames•15h ago
I think they're showcasing existing projects instead of making a new one each day.
lispitillo•15h ago
Thanks, it seems you are right. The random-sample project seems so short that I thought it was a one day project and that the other would be also short projects.
Thanks for the April reference. In the post [1] there are just 11 comments and also it seems that the intended audience could maybe two dozen people!, not very encouraging to create a J in Common Lisp.
It's great but some chosen libraries are a bit too random or early. You can look at a curated list of Common Lisp libraries here: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl/
jksmith•17h ago
lispitillo•15h ago
I recall Norvig mentioning that other computer languages have taken many ideas from Lisp, those languages are also in the new civilization. Just to give an example: destructing-bind, apply and others are now done in javascript with a shorter syntax, and javascript without macros has excellent speed.
Jtsummers•14h ago
Their use of L1 and L2 should be read as "L" as "level" L1 is lower level, L2 is higher level. They're suggesting using Ada (or some other well-suited language) for the lower level trusted systems language and Lisp for the application language.
What it has to do with AI, I don't know. People want AI everywhere now.