Stromboli is closer to folded up pizza as it typically has mozzarella cheese.
Sromboli can be ground sausage and cheese on a french bread roll.
Afaik they don't serve those in Italy or even that far away from Philadelphia. So "in the USA that can be anything" is ... I guess accurate, for a regional American dish
It typically has both. And ricotta is legally not a cheese in Italy (because it's not made from milk).
It's a marketing gimmick to promote their pizza brand.
I would suggest that from the outside it could be easy to underestimate just how seriously (many) Italians take their food.
Last year - as a family, on the way somewhere else - we visited a "factory" that makes Parmesan cheese. It's astounding how much work and time goes into making a product that, although it's of course produced "on mass", feels anything other than mass produced.
En masse?
to be more french, say "awning" but lose the entire "-ning" part, and then "mass", like the "a" in father, not the "a" in cat.
My French is just fine - merci beaucoup - yet unfortunately yet another HN thread gets distracted from the intention of a post by someone determined to focus on semantics :/
(This is the first time I've had this on HN) but I have no idea what you mean. Is someone really not understanding? It looks like they're trying to correct what I wrote :/
It's a product produced in quantity, but not “mass-produced”.
Once I tried pointing this out. The speaker said "it doesn't matter". Sure, bud, enjoy your lard. Ew.
(But I can attest to the deep fried mars bar)
tossandthrow•2h ago
The Italians really did their marketing well to get the attribution
bavent•2h ago
pfcd•2h ago
Pizza without bread? Pizza without bread.
Pizza? Pizza.
Pizza with pizza? Pizza++.
deathanatos•2h ago
A quesadilla is a sandwich, though.
bavent•1h ago
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF•39m ago
zdragnar•1h ago
It might be casual heresy but it is right.
LambdaComplex•39m ago
Pizza with classes?
ArekDymalski•13m ago
afandian•1h ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002gqz2 41:00
Approx transcript:
> by the 1970s Italy had left its peasant origins behind it had become an industrial consumerist, democracy, and at that point, people start to get nostalgic, and they make the past simple for themselves by turning it into recipes, turning into simple forms. And that has become actually, and this is another novelty, very politicised in recent years. The current government, which of all the various right wing parties have been in power since 1994, is the one that most is most proud of its sort of fascist DNA, if I feel like, it's linked to historical links to Mussolini's fascist Party. They've really wedded themselves to this idea, this food nostalgia, this idea of defending Italian culture against contamination from abroad or wherever it might be.
fsckboy•1h ago
French winemakers started defending their region names as trademarks in the middle of the last century (picked up steam in 1960s to 1970s) and cheese followed, and the rest of the Europe too. That's where the joke "real Existentialism must come from France, otherwise you just have sparkling anxiety" comes from.
As one rather benign example, Hungary and Slovakia asserted rights to the name of the wine Tokaji/Tokai and in 2007 Friuli Italy had to stop using that name for their wine, a name they had been using for hundreds of years (though the grape is still called Tokai in Italy). In Hungary, the measure of quality/sweetness of the wine (it's a dessert wine) is called Puttonyos. The Italians now call their wine Friulano (not a dessert wine in particular); I want the Italians to start measuring their quality in Putanas just to give the finger to Hungary.
afandian•25m ago
But surely ideas about nationalism and purity can arise at any time?
IIRC the interview was about pasta recipes, and about cultural rather than DOP purity.
fsckboy•1h ago
we all agree what pizza means at least till the point we need to duke it out over pineapple (which is not pizza)
i'm reminded of an old Lake Wobegon piece about Minnesota tacos (pronounced to rhyme with tack-o). they're made with folded over white bread and with your flannel sleeves rolled up because the juice will run down your arms
moritzwarhier•21m ago
This legislation in general makes for good mockery.
But I still can't shake the idea of there being some foods with specific names that legally enforce certain geographical areas for produce and recipe requirements.
It certainly has potential for absurdity though, and it is surely exploited for some useless bureaucracy (like it's hinted at in the books by Houellebecq)