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Car has more than 1.2M km on it – and it's still going strong

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/1985-toyota-tercel-high-mileage-1.7597168
51•Sgt_Apone•3d ago

Comments

SilverElfin•3d ago
> Over the years, nearly everything on the vehicle has been replaced or repaired, and Campbell says the only original part is likely the body, and even that has had work done on it.

To me this makes it less interesting. I would be amazed if the original parts (outside of what gets replaced for maintenance) lasted that long. But it’s hard to judge how durable the car is when everything has been replaced

moffkalast•4h ago
A literal ship of Theseus, arguably it's not even the same car.
jose_mr•4h ago
But when exactly did it stop being the same car?
diggan•4h ago
When you changed the VIN :)
moffkalast•4h ago
An easy way to say would be when it's still 50% original, but I think an interesting way to look at it is that it becomes a whole new thing after every major change.

First it's his new car, then it becomes his new car with new tires, and then his car with new windshield wipers, and finally his old car with all new parts and some old ones. None of them are the same car.

I think in cases where it' a major rebuild, like turning a WW2 Minesweeper first into a ferry, and finally into Cousteau's research ship Calypso this outlook is more obvious. Are these ships all the same despite getting almost a full refit at each stage? I would say none of them are the same ship, but completely separate "things" with some old and some new parts.

jama211•3h ago
It hasn’t, the law decided a car is it’s shell and that’s it.
bot403•3h ago
Fun fact, on average most (not all though) of the cells in your body are brand new after 7 years. When do you stop being you and take a new name?
diggan•3h ago
At least we're not going around saying "diggan says the only original part of his person is likely the body/chassi"
griffzhowl•3h ago
This kind of thing is repeated often, but I don't think it's true. For one thing, how would tattoos last so long then?

More relevantly, I don't think neurons are replaced. There must be some material churn in the atoms and molecules that make them up, but even then different for different molecules - e.g. I don't know how much of our DNA molecules get replaced over a lifespan from the repair or other mechanisms.

hdgvhicv•3h ago
And what if you took the other parts and built a separate car from them?
vntok•2h ago
You've just answered your own question, haven't you? If it's a separate car then it can't be the original by definition.
hdgvhicv•2h ago
If you completely disassemble a car then reassemble it, is it the same car?

What if you disassemble all of the car except the wheels and reassemble it but with new wheels?

How about if you also exclude the seats too.

At what point does the answer change? That’s the whole point of the ship of theseus.

sonorous_sub•4h ago
No man ever slides behind the wheel of the same Tercel twice.
e4325f•3h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAh8HryVaeY
HKH2•1h ago
Not literal.
Glawen•4h ago
Agree, it is not that impressive knowing that. Many 80s 90s Mercedes achieved that, and some with original engine
jillesvangurp•4h ago
This kind of mileage is unusual with cars but it's pretty normal for semis. But even with those, engines get overhauled and there's lots of cumulative maintenance over the years. There are still trucks build in the sixties in service in some places.

With EVs, we might get some battery packs and drive trains actually lasting this long. Maybe not with nmc batteries. But some lfp batteries seem to have enough charge cycles on paper that they really could last that long. 5000 charge cycles at 300 miles per charge adds up to about 1.5M miles. Of course lots of other things might fail. But at least electrical motors are known to be pretty durable. That's not a common failure point on EVs as far as I know. But there's plenty of other stuff in EVs (electronics, cooling systems, suspension, etc.) that can break.

Of course, it will be a while before we'll see EVs that have driven that far as those type of batteries have only been on the market for a few years and even with 100K miles driven per year (which is a lot), it would take 12 years to get to 1.2M. This Toyota took quite a few decades to get there.

According to the article, this car actually wasn't particularly durable (the words 'rust buckets' were used). But if you just keep patching it up, of course it will run fine. And greasing up all the bits that would normally rust seems smart as well.

jama211•3h ago
Tbf they said “nearly” everything. Probably it’s the same engine block, transmission housing, etc. And of course the shell, which is the most important. And I bet loads of interior too so where you sit feels very familiar.
diggan•3h ago
> Probably it’s the same engine block, transmission housing, etc.

If someone says "the only original part is likely the body", then that makes it sound like they've replaced pretty much everything except the body itself, including everything about the engine and transmission.

mrtbld•2h ago
The odometer most likely have not been replaced too
epolanski•3h ago
I mean, it depends on the kind of work to be honest. Has he ever had to replace the whole engine or something?

Because if you get chain timing issues on a 2010 BMW diesel, you ain't repairing that, it's more expensive than a new car.

diggan•3h ago
> you ain't repairing that, it's more expensive than a new car.

Sometimes we're more connected/sentimental about specific physical items, than the prices themselves. I kind of feel like you have to be a special sort of person to own a BMW, so wouldn't surprise me that same "special" person would pay more to repair their specific car than replacing it with an identical one but without that issue.

eptcyka•3h ago
Doubt there’s a BMW enthusiast that will go out of their way to repair a 2010s diesel.
userbinator•3h ago
1M km (Tm?) is less than 750k miles, for those more familiar with customary units.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irv_Gordon had a Volvo with over 3.25 million miles (5.2Tm), although it's also had 3 engine rebuilds.

mykowebhn•3h ago
"Customary units"? I hate to break it to you, but most of the world uses the metric system.

And the conversion is actually fairly simple. 1M km is 600k miles, so you were in the ballpark.

kelnos•2h ago
I hate you break it to you, but "customary units" is what they are called, regardless of the (lack of) prevalence of that custom.
kashunstva•23m ago
Interesting use of the term _customary_! To add to the complexity of this, weren’t the customary units of length and mass were defined in the U.S in the late 1800’s by reference to international metric standards - the Mendenhall order?
technothrasher•4m ago
Typically they're called "US customary units" outside of the grand old U. S. of A, who refused to adopt any sort of metric system way back in the 19th century because they were "ungodly".
burnt-resistor•2h ago
Metrication will happen after Americans give up ICE vehicles like the Ford Expedition, ICE gestapo, ultraprocessed hamburgers, and climate change denial.

Metric is really far simpler, while Freedom Units are like going back to counting change in Roman-inspired £sd.

burnt-resistor•2h ago
It's all about getting creative with junk yards and third-party NLA substitute part sellers.
vegancap•4h ago
Toyota and Honda engines are just ridiculous
HelloUsername•1h ago
As soon as I read the title, I knew it was gonna be about Toyota.
Ccecil•4h ago
Keep fixing it...ignore the odometer.

This is the only way to exceed the forging cost.

Tade0•3h ago
It's less than (originally Matt Farah's) million mile Lexus:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/mechanic-restores-an-ls-4...

Although the current owner's plan to do a cannonball run in it is something I find off-putting. His previous stupid idea was to put a turbocharger and see how long it will last, fortunately his fans dissuaded him from doing it.

mrweasel•3h ago
There are some calculations that makes replacing a old gas or diesel powered car more environmentally friendly, as compered to buying a new electric car. I do wonder where the tipping point is though, and if there isn't an environmental argument to be made that not only should government bad the sale of new internal combustion engine cars, but they should also ban cars with an expected lifespan shorter than e.g. 15 - 20 years.
realusername•3h ago
The calculation I've seen put it around 50k km, depends of how good the local grid is of course.
hdgvhicv•3h ago
If externalities were correctly priced in to fuel, rare earths, rubber, road wear etc then it would be easy to see, the cheaper the better.

But they aren’t, not even close. Oil is massively subisidised by the military before the environmental costs. Brake particulates and tyres don’t cover the cost of microplastics and lung damage, heavy cars don’t pay anywhere near the damage they cause to the roads and bridges etc.

Due to this you can argue pretty much whatever you want by ignoring certain costs depending what you want to come out with.

My petrol car is 20 years old, it’s done 70,000 miles, it weighs about 1,000kg and burns through 300 litres of unleaded each year to do the 3,000 miles I do in it.

I suspect scrapping and replacing this with even a small electric car would not be globally environmentally worthwhile. There may be improvements to local air quality assuming regenerative breaking etc, that may be offset by increased tyre and road wear though, even ignoring the impact of the co2 to generate the 80kWh a year it would require.

raptorraver•3h ago
I wonder how many of the cars manufactured today are still here after million kilometers. My guess is none as they are impossible to fix yourself.
HPsquared•2h ago
One saving grace is a lot of the tricky electronic parts are shared between several models, many different manufacturers even.

As long as some enterprising pirate (probably a shady Russian forum) keeps hold of all the model-specific software.

swarnie•3h ago
> This car has 1,253,070 kilometres on it — and counting.

> When it turned over from 999,999 kilometres to 000,000 kilometres in September 2017

The idea of averaging 31k miles a year is just insane to me. My car hasn't done that since i bought it new 8 years ago.

Sylarr•2h ago
It's 31k kilometers so around 20k miles.
franze•3h ago
> Over the years, nearly everything on the vehicle has been replaced or repaired, and Campbell says the only original part is likely the body, and even that has had work done on it.

aka

This is my grandfather’s axe. My father replaced the handle. I replaced the head.

jasoncartwright•3h ago
In the UK we call this Trigger's Broom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56yN2zHtofM
HPsquared•3h ago
Maybe the axe exists as the interface point between the pieces. And the history logbook.
amelius•2h ago
Ship of Theseus
donatj•2h ago
745,645 miles for Americans like myself who can't be bothered to do the conversion.
RandomBacon•50m ago
My brorher got 350,000 miles in a cheap Hyundai doing the oil changes himself. He only replaced the water pump before he traded it in for a Kia. He is nearly at 250,000 on the Kia with no repairs needed so far.
burnt-resistor•2h ago
More than Otto. Wow.

I have an 85 Vanagon Westfalia with a modest 450k km.

SquareWheel•2h ago
1.2 gigametres? That's traveled further than some satellites.
kentiko•2h ago
> Since then, he's used it as his daily driver, putting on at least 120 kilometres a day driving from his home in Wyses Corner, N.S., to Halifax and back each day of his working life.

120km per day of commuting is crazy to me. I work from home and occasionally do a 14km bicycle commute to the office.

sys_64738•1h ago
Is it still the same car?
SebFender•1h ago
Back in the 90's my dad and I put a more than 500k on a Volvo 740 and mostly running original parts (oil filters, brakes etc were changed throughout the decade 84/96 - Québec winters included).

The car ran fine and was ultimately sold to a taxi driver that apparently brought it to close to a million (no proof though).

I think now days people treat cars like phones. Minimal continual maintenance can work wonders and save you a bundle in the process.

nickd2001•48m ago
A friend bought a 14-yr-old one of these for little at an auction in 1999. As someone who knew little about cars, her logic was, it "looked OK' and had had one owner, and crucially, the radio was tuned to a NPR classical music station and therefore anyone who listened to that would have treated their car responsibly. ;) Suffice to say, this was an excellent purchase, reliable and inexpensive to run, in fact in order to find out whether some maintenance was due or not she managed to track down the previous owner who turned out to be a middle-aged woman who was just as responsible as my friend imagined. ;)
unclenoriega•22m ago
This reminds me of going hill hopping as a kid with my radio tuned to the local NPR classical music station. Once when I went a little airborne, my engine shutoff upon landing. (It restarted OK though.)
buyucu•13m ago
I knew it was a Toyota before I read the article!
gchamonlive•10m ago
> Over the years, nearly everything on the vehicle has been replaced or repaired, and Campbell says the only original part is likely the body, and even that has had work done on it.

Tercel of Theseus

physix•4m ago
When I lived in Germany, in the 90s, I regularly sat in diesel Mercedes Benz taxis with over a million kms under the hood. Private drivers usually. Many had giant mileages.

We used to say (tongue in cheek) that after 250k, the MB diesel engine was broken in. I don't think MB makes them like they used to anymore.

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