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Testing Bitchat at the music festival

https://primal.net/saunter/testing-bitchat-at-the-music-festival
35•alexcos•3d ago

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mikeodds•3h ago
I like the idea, I’ve been wandering around soma and mission for a week but not found anyone online
egypturnash•3h ago
so is it

Bit Chat

or

Bitch At?

And is it somehow connected to bitcoin? This post mentions buying beer in exchange for "sats" so perhaps it is.

The entirely-in-lowercase page of the actual project does not clarify any of these questions. Not that they're more than idle curiosity given that the conclusion of this review is "it didn't work".

flufluflufluffy•2h ago
it’s fairly obviously bit chat, named most likely in homage to bitcoin, due to its decentralized nature, though there is no connection beyond that
n12345679•2h ago
lol it's just a LARP project marketed by jack and his conman buddy calle. It has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Briarproject dot org already exists and is better. These LARPers will likely use it to steal someone's bitcoins using it.
xorbax•1h ago
Is a 'Bit' prefix now solely read as a bitcoin reference?

I thought it existed before bitcoin as, like, some computer thing or the platonic ideal of information. Did I get that wrong? Does 'bit' just mean bitcoin?

01HNNWZ0MV43FF•3m ago
It was popular for BitTorrent but torrenting isn't as popular these days
jrflowers•9m ago
It’s a nod to the song Where My B At by Esham
specproc•2h ago
Obligatory relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2055/
teucris•2h ago
This has been tried so many times[0][1]… heck even I made an app like this once using WiFi direct.

The idea is so solid and yet there are just enough pitfalls between Bluetooth reliability, platform differences, getting critical mass for effective relaying…it’s such a bummer that we can’t figure this one out. Decentralized message relays have the potential to work anywhere, be fully private, extremely difficult to block/censor, and (in theory) can scale indefinitely.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat

[1]: https://briarproject.org/

willseth•1h ago
The FindMy network is already doing this at scale with location data. Offline messaging might be too niche of a use case for Apple but surely they’ve considered it.
wslh•1h ago
But does WiFi Direct work on iOS so we can be on a music festival and mesh between your friends (Apple) mobiles? This would be much better than Bluetooth. I read about the MultipeerConnectivity framework but I am confused because in a recent discussion someone says that WiFi Direct has (development?) limitations? ELI5 please.
brookst•1h ago
Apple uses AWDL, a proprietary protocol that predates WiFi direct. WiFi direct is kind of a mess, and then there’s WiFi aware. Last I heard when I was working in this space a couple of years ago there was supposed to be a WiFi direct 2 that would (as usual) unify standards and solve all the issues.
willseth•13m ago
AWDL isn’t FindMy. It’s mostly for Airdrop and also uses Bluetooth for the initial connection then switches to WiFi for high bandwidth data.
willseth•16m ago
I’m not sure it would since the whole Bluetooth stack is already designed for P2P. Apple’s network is a true mesh though and not point to point. If you share locations with your friends on FindMy using iPhones or AirTags you will get updates via the encrypted mesh network (that includes other peoples’ iPhones) without being connected to a WiFi or cell network.

https://support.apple.com/guide/security/find-my-security-se...

vbezhenar•1h ago
I worked with BLE recently and found it very reliable. Also I was surprised at range it was able to communicate. Like 10 meters with walls - it works. Similar to WiFi.

I think, it's all matter of inventing a proper protocol on top of it, and enough work-hours put into the implementation to make software reliable.

cedws•1h ago
I was initially optimistic about Bitchat but after investigating it does just seem to be an early hobby project. We need more than individual apps meshing via Bluetooth. I’m doubtful Bitchat will ever be used outside of a group of nerds at a festival.

We need a standardised protocol commonly implemented by manufacturers. The closest we have now that I’m aware of is Apple’s Find My network in which it is possible to smuggle arbitrary data very slowly. [0]

[0]: https://github.com/positive-security/send-my

diimdeep•1h ago
Just a thought but would't it be a better world if we didn't had wifi and bluetooth chips in the first place and cellular modem would worked in user land and had API to build upon while not being separate black box hardware and os living it's own life, with capability to reach freaking satellite in space.

bluetooth chips is child's play compared to cellular chips, just saying.

Catbert59•1h ago
I worked with BLE Meshing in industry products. With a lot of hops and a bit of traffic it becomes very unreliable quickly.

Introducing something like TCP o top most likely will kill it because of the network load over a very thin and unreliable connections just causes more mess.

Addendum: this "experience" is a few years old. Maybe newer BLE revisions improved this.

SeanAnderson•1h ago
Yeah, this mirrors my experience trying to get FireChat to work at Las Vegas EDC years prior. Unfortunate to see progress is about the same.

Going to Burning Man for the first time this year. Some of my campmates are keen on giving mesh networking another shot through https://www.burningmesh.org/. Will be interesting to see if using dedicated hardware, rather than just software on phones, makes connectivity & communication more reliable.

bravoetch•39m ago
I am interested to hear if you also try bitchat at the burn.
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