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I_am_tiberius•3h ago

It would be interesting to know how this occurred. I assume there may have been last-minute high-level feedback suggesting: "We can't let users see that the new model is only slightly better than the old one. Adjust the y-axis to make the improvement appear more significant."

yoyohello13•3h ago

It’s genuinely terrifying that people this incompetent have so much money and power.

m_herrlich•3h ago

It might not incompetent to assume the audience is not very discerning

aydyn•3h ago

OpenAI is currently getting dunked on, on all major platforms. It is incompetent.

throwawayoldie•2h ago

People reading Hacker News are the target audience, and here we are, discerning.

Invictus0•2h ago

Speak for yourself!

throwawayoldie•2h ago

I only ever do. But I rephrased my post to make my meaning clearer. Nice discernment there.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF•2h ago

Hey, could be malice

ElijahLynn•2h ago

The magic that is ChatGPT is definitely not incompetence.

They may not be perfect, but they provided a lot of value to many different industries including coding.

AdieuToLogic•38m ago

> The magic that is ChatGPT ...

  Any sufficiently advanced technology is
  indistinguishable from magic.[0]

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

fullshark•2h ago

It’s more terrifying that no one cares about the truth it seems anywhere. Vibeworld, we are all selling vaporware and if you don’t build it who cares move into the next hype cycle that pumps the stock / gets VC funding. Absurd industry.

pesus•1h ago

We're feeling the effects of living in a post-truth society more and more every day. It's pretty terrifying.

lnenad•3h ago

I mean this is the industry standard. For example every time Nvidia dumps a new GPU into the ether, they do the same thing. Apple with M series CPUs. They even go a step further and compare a few generations back.

datadrivenangel•3h ago

It's dishonest and the multiple examples in the same presentation tell you what you need to know about the credibility of the presenters

andrewstuart2•2h ago

The other chart on that slide was actually to scale. My suspicion is that it was super rushed to the deadline for this presentation and they maybe didn't use excel or anything automatic for the charts, so they look better, and they missed the detail due to time pressure.

zigzag312•2h ago

There's only one error, bar height for o3. Somehow height uses value from 4o, which seems like some sort of copy paste error.

EDIT: I was looking just at the first chart. I didn't see there's more below.

croes•2h ago

Did you miss the picture below where the bar for 50% is lower than the bar for 47.4%

And even if it’s just one chart. There are 3 or 4 bars (depends on how you count) so they screwed up 33%/25 % of the chart.

Quite an error margin.

zigzag312•1h ago

Oh, I did miss it. Thanks!

danpalmer•2h ago

Maybe they asked GPT-5 to update slides.

qustrolabe•2h ago

GPT-5 would've caught this mismatch for sure

macNchz•2h ago

That seemingly depends a bit on how hard you ask it to think, or how hard it decides to think based on your question.

danpalmer•1h ago

"ChatGPT, this slide deck feels a bit luke warm, help me make a better impression"

I could completely believe someone who is all-in on the tech, working in marketing, and not really that familiar with the failure modes, using a prompt like this and just missing the bad edit.

datadrivenangel•2h ago

Claude and ChatGPT actually took me several prompts to get them to identify this. They recognized from a screenshot that labeled axes that start at zero can be misleading, but missed the actual issue.

nonhaver•58m ago

thats hilarious actually. gives credence to the gpt theory haha

outside1234•2h ago

There is a smell of desperation around OpenAI, so I wouldn't be surprised if this level of hypevibing came from the top.

44za12•3h ago

That was quick, vibe coded, I presume?

datadrivenangel•3h ago

The CSS animations are very revealing on that front from a performance perspective.

teaearlgraycold•3h ago

I tend to blame performance issues on the developer writing the code on a top of the line computer. There are too many WebGL effects on startup websites that were built to run on a M4 Max.

datadrivenangel•3h ago

Yeah this is somewhat stuttery on an M2 mac.

thewebguyd•2h ago

> There are too many WebGL effects on startup websites that were built to run on a M4 Max.

Tale as old as time. When the retina display macs first came out, we say web design suddenly no longer optimized for 1080p or less displays (and at the time, 1376x768 was the default resolution for windows laptops).

As much suffering as it'd be, I swear we'd end up with better software if we stopped giving devs top of the line machines and just issued whatever budget laptop is on sale at the local best buy on any given day.

teaearlgraycold•2h ago

I wouldn't go that far, but maybe split the difference at a modern i3 or the lowest spec Mac from last year.

It would be awesome if Apple or someone else could have an in-OS slider to drop the specs down to that of other chips. It'd probably be a lot of work to make it seamless, but being able to click a button and make an M4 Max look like an M4 would be awesome for testing.

p1necone•2h ago

Tbh even the absolute lowest spec Mx macs are insanely powerful, probably best to test on a low end x86 laptop.

universenz•2h ago

No no no.. go one better for the Mac. It should be whichever device/s which are next to be made legacy from Apple’s 7 year support window. That way you’re actually catering to the lowest common denominator.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF•2h ago

At my work every dev had two machines, which was great. The test machine is cattle, you don't install GCC on it, you reflash it whenever you need, and you test on it routinely. And it's also the cheapest model a customer might have. Then your dev machine is a beast with your kitten packages installed on it.

p1necone•2h ago

Develop on a super computer, test on $200 laptop - not really any suffering that way.

xpe•51m ago

To keep a fast feedback loop, build on the fast machine, deploy, test on the slow one.

seba_dos1•3h ago

It's less than 200 lines of CSS. Easily doable by a human in 30 minutes.

mattgreenrocks•2h ago

I love how this has to be defended now, as if that was somehow unthinkable from a domain expert.

marvinborner•3h ago

This should also include the chart on "Coding deception" [1] which is quite deceptive (50.0 is not in fact less than 47.4)

[1]: https://youtu.be/0Uu_VJeVVfo?t=1840

qwertox•3h ago

Both the submission and your link took me way too long to see what's the issue here.

What were they even thinking? Don't they care about this? Is their AI generating all their charts now and they don't even bother to review it?

panarky•2h ago

Since everyone assumes GPT hallucinated these charts, the truth must be that they're 100% pure, organic, unadulterated human fuckups.

croes•2h ago

Doesn’t matter. Either way is bad

datadrivenangel•2h ago

Either way is bad. Intentionally human made and approved is worse than machine generated and not reviewed. Malicious versus sloppy.

croes•12m ago

Machine generated is worse.

How many charts will the person create, how many the machine?

windowdoor•2h ago

My unjustified and unscientific opinion is that AI makes you stupid.

That's based solely on my own personal vibes after regularly using LLMs for a while. I became less willing to and capable of thinking critically and carefully.

nicce•1h ago

It also scares me how good they are in appealing and social engineering. They have made me feel good about poor judgment and bad decision at least twice (which I noticed later on, still in time). New, strict system prompt and they give the opposite opinion and recommend against their previous suggestion. They are so good at arguing that they can justify almost anything and make you believe that this is what you should do unless you are among the 1% experts in the topic.

lacy_tinpot•1h ago

> They are so good at arguing that they can justify almost anything

This honestly just sounds like distilled intelligence. Because a huge pitfall for very intelligent people is that they're really good at convincing themselves of really bad ideas.

That but commoditized en masse to all of humanity will undoubtedly produce tragic results. What an exciting future...

Terr_•10m ago

I suspect the cause isn't mentat- or mentalist-level "good at arguing", but three factors:

1. The output is just good enough at language we perceive the text as a person talking to us.

2. The character seems totally invested in serving you and invests unlimited amounts of personal time and mental effort towards your needs.

3. They are intrinsically shameless.

Taken together, these mean we are drawn to judging the fictional character like a human, once we do that... No human would burn hours of their life tirelessly brown-nosing me for no real payoff without breaking character or having any cognitive dissonance... So they must be my friend, and any issues are either honest mistakes or misunderstandings on my part, right?

II2II•1h ago

No. AI is a tool to make ourselves look stupid. Suggesting that it makes people stupid suggest that they are even looking at the output.

lacy_tinpot•1h ago

AI being used to completely off load thinking is a total misuse of the technology.

But at the same time that this technology can seemingly be misused and cause really psychological harm is kind of a new thing it feels like. Right? Like there are reports of AI Psychosis, don't know how real it is, but if it's real I don't know any other tool that's really produced that kind of side effect.

p1necone•2h ago

This half makes sense to me - 'deception' is an undesirable quality in an llm, so less of it is 'better/more' from their audiences perspective.

However, I can't think of a sensible way to actually translate that to a bar chart where you're comparing it to other things that don't have the same 'less is more' quality (the general fuckery with graphs not starting at 0 aside - how do you even decide '0' when the number goes up as it approaches it), and what they've done seems like total nonsense.

JBiserkov•2h ago

> 'deception' is an undesirable quality in an llm, so less of it is 'better/more' from their audiences perspective

So if that ^ is why 50.0 is lower than 47.4 ... but why is then 86.7 not lower than 9.0? Or 4.8 not lower than 2.1

datadrivenangel•2h ago

Added!

chilmers•2h ago

That one is so obviously wrong that it makes me wonder if someone mislabelled the chart, but perhaps I'm being too optimistic.

mwigdahl•2h ago

It's been fixed on the OpenAI website.

computomatic•1h ago

Presumably it corresponds to Table 8 from this doc: https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/8124a3ce-ab78-4f06-96eb-49ea29ffb...

If that’s the case, it’s mislabelled and should have read “17%” which would better the visual.

zmmmmm•1h ago

I pasted the image of the chart into ChatGPT-5 and prompted it with

>there seems to be a mistake in this chart ... can you find what it is?

Here is what it told me:

> Yes — the likely mistake is in the first set of bars (“Coding deception”). The pink bar for GPT-5 (with thinking) is labeled 50.0%, while the white bar for OpenAI o3 is labeled 47.4% — but visually, the white bar is drawn shorter than the pink bar, even though its percentage is slightly lower.

So they definitely should have had ChatGPT review their own slides.

rvz•3h ago

Remember, we are in a post-truth era. Getting to "AGI" might even mean cooking the numbers if they have to so that hopefully no-one notices.

interweb_tube•3h ago

I'll always invest in a chart that's more pink than gray.

enb•2h ago

Can’t scroll on safari ios

acenturyandabit•2h ago

The chart is the entire thing. Check if the numbers match the heights of the rectangles ;)

eps•2h ago

Still only half of it is visible in the landscape mode and the page is not scrollable.

datadrivenangel•2h ago

Should be fixed now.

schappim•2h ago

Imagine being the person who made the mistake when creating the gpt-5 chart.

cpncrunch•2h ago

Link?

datadrivenangel•2h ago

See TFA. [0]

0 - https://www.vibechart.net/

cpncrunch•1h ago

No, i mean what is the context. Who created this originally? Where is the link to openai or whoever creating this chart, or context behind the misinformation if any. I check the comments and stories about chatgpt5 and there is no reference to this, so im at a loss.

Ok, I see there was a bug on the site and it wasn't scrolling on iOS. They fixed that now, although the background context is still unclear, and none of the links in the site seem to explain it.

datadrivenangel•15m ago

These charts were from the GPT-5 release stream from OpenAI. The second image is a direct screenshot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uu_VJeVVfo&t=1840s

sp527•2h ago

It's such an egregiously bad error, you almost have to wonder if Altman did it intentionally for publicity (which does seem to be working).

p1necone•2h ago

I think the stock market has just proven time and time again that a large proportion of investors (and VCs) do basically no due diligence or critical thinking about what they're throwing money at, and businesses actually making profit hasn't mattered for a long time - which was the only thing tethering their value to the actual concrete stuff they're building. If you can hype it well your share price goes up, and even the investors that do do due proper diligence can see that and so they're all in too.

By and large people do not have the integrity to even care that numbers are obviously being fudged, and they know that the market is going to respond positively to blustering and bald faced lies. It's a self reinforcing cycle.

sp527•2h ago

Oh trust me I know. I worked at Palantir well before it was public and had firsthand experience of Alex Karp. He would draw incomprehensible stick figure box diagrams on a whiteboard for F100 CEOs, ramble some nonsensical jargon, and somehow close a multimillion dollar pilot. The guy is better at faking it than high-end escorts. It doesn't surprise me that this has fooled degens around the world, from Wall Street to r/wallstreetbets. Incredibly, even Damadoran has thrown in the towel and opened a position, while still admitting he has no idea what they do.

mattgreenrocks•1h ago

It’s vibes all the way down :)

dmezzetti•2h ago

Impressive that this knocked GPT-5 from the top.

an0malous•1h ago

Nature is healing

KaoruAoiShiho•2h ago

I think this is less chart crime than an editing mistake.

datadrivenangel•2h ago

They had two misleading charts... not ideal

subtlesoftware•2h ago

The 69.1 column has the same height as the 30.8 column. My guess is they just duplicated the 30.8 column and forgot to adjust the height to the number, which passed a cursory check because it was simply lower than the new model.

This doesn't explain the 50.0 column height though.

chilmers•2h ago

Eyeballing it, that bar looks to be around 15% in height. Typing "50" instead of "15" is a plausible typo. Albeit, one you might expect from a high-schooler giving a class presentation, not in a flagship launch by one of the most hyped startups in history.

Just remember, everyone involved with these presentations is getting a guaranteed $1.5 million bonus. Then cry a little.

dragonwriter•1h ago

> The 69.1 column has the same height as the 30.8 column. My guess is they just duplicated the 30.8 column and forgot to adjust the height to the number

Why, unless specifically for the purpose of making it possible to do inaccurate and misleading inconsistencies off this type, would you make charts for a professional presentation by a mechanism that involved separately manually creating the bars and the labels in the first place? I mean, maybe, if you were doing something artistic with the style that wasn't supported in charting software you might, but these are the most basic generic bar charts except for the inconsistencies.

nnurmanov•2h ago

In the marketing world 1>2:)

datadrivenangel•2h ago

People interested in misleading data visualization should look into Alberto Cairo's Book: How Charts Lie

0xCafeBabee•2h ago

Looks like the only thing getting smarter here is the marketing team.

mcs5280•2h ago

How else can you make stonks go up perpetually?

eddythompson80•2h ago

Weren’t some people, unironically, expecting AgI announcement for GPT-5. Like I have heard a water cooler (well, coffee machine) conversation about how OpenAI master plan is to release GPT-5 and invoke the AGI clause in their contract with Microsoft. I was shaking my head so hard,

JBiserkov•1h ago

They are both using the "capitalist" definition of AGI, that is "an AI system that can generate at least $100 billion in profits". I think it's short for "A Gazillion Idiots"...

https://gizmodo.com/leaked-documents-show-openai-has-a-very-...

AIPedant•58m ago

It is actually incredible how they managed to find an even more unscientific definition than "can perform a majority of economically useful tasks." At least that definition requires a little thought to recognize it has problems[1]. $100bn in profits is just cartoonishly dumb, like you asked a high schooler to come up with a definition.

[1] If a computer can perform the task its economic usefulness drops to near zero, and new economically useful tasks which computers can't do will take its place.

bo1024•2h ago

Aw, I really wanted this to be a tool to produce your own misleading vibecharts

outside1234•2h ago

I'm going to put a vote in for Scam Altman on this one

thimabi•2h ago

Poor OpenAI workers, they worked so hard for the GPT-5 release and now discussions about the model are side by side with discussions about their badly-done graphs.

I don’t believe they intentionally fucked up the graphs, but it is nonetheless funny to see how much of an impact that has had. Talk about bad luck…

alfalfasprout•1h ago

I've been using GPT-5 heavily today. It's genuinely very underwhelming. Sonnet 4 seems to outperform it in every real-world task I use it with.

Lots of hype from Sam Altman and nothing to really show for it.

mepiethree•1h ago

They all got $1.5 million today so I’m not too worried about the poor workers.

CamperBob2•25m ago

Everybody including the employee who put those graphs into the slide deck just got $1.5M just for showing up at work. So there's not a lot of room for sympathy.

sobiolite•2h ago

There are versions of both these charts with more plausible numbers and bar sizes in the "evaluation" section of the announcement post:

https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5/

So, maybe this is just sloppiness and not intentionally misleading. But still, not a good look when the company burning through billions of dollars in cash and promising to revolutionize all human activity can't put together a decent powerpoint.

nabla9•1h ago

This is what eating your own dog food looks like when you are selling dog food.

EMIRELADERO•1h ago

Saved. Thanks for that belly laugh.

echelon•1h ago

Is this the moment the bubble pops (at least for OpenAI)?

GPT-5 has to be one of the most underwhelming releases to date, and that's fresh on the heels of the "gift" of GPT-OSS.

The hottest news out of OpenAI lately is who Mark Zuckerberg has added to Meta's "Superintelligence" roster.

outside1234•43m ago

The gift of GPT-OSS that is actually Phi

GaggiX•32m ago

GPT-5 models are actually great models for the API, the nano model is finally good enough to handle complex structured responses and it's even cheaper than GPT-4.1-nano.

outside1234•1h ago

People at OpenAI are the top of their field. It is not sloppiness in this crowd.

teaearlgraycold•1h ago

I don't think the PR people at OpenAI are at the top of their field.

ReverseCold•1h ago

Honestly? They might be.

ceejayoz•1h ago

People at the top of their field can be deeply sloppy at times.

steve_adams_86•43m ago

I mean it in the kindest way, but scientists might be the sloppiest group I've worked with (on average, at least). They do amazing work, but they're willing to hack it together in the craziest ways sometimes. Which is great in a way. They're very resourceful and focused on the science, not necessarily the presentation or housekeeping. That's fine.

johnnyanmac•28m ago

The engineers, sure. Product team... well, we've seen the past 2-3 years that AI isn't necessarily based on quality and accuracy. They are also at the top of their game in terms of how to optimize revenue.

Eji1700•1h ago

OpenAI has always known that "data" is part of marketing, and treated it as such. I don't think this is intentional, but they damn well knew, even back in the dota 2 days, how to present data in such a way as to overstate the results and hide the failures.

pryelluw•1h ago

Similar to the glass demonstration on the cybertruck.

zmmmmm•1h ago

it's so funny that it tried to deceive everybody about it's deceptiveness

welder•1h ago

At first I thought this was metrics about vibe coding... but it's not, that's WakaTime

sbaidon94•57m ago

What a perfect way to encapsulate the zeitgeist

mgg90•45m ago

the jumping game it created has the easiest way to beat it. You can keep jumping indefinitely and never hit an obstacle. Probably an extra prompt would fix that, but its funny they published as is.

GodelNumbering•42m ago

Whichever model they used was probably sabotaged with a prompt like "your prime goal is to make GPT-5 look better in comparison"

atleastoptimal•33m ago

Why are they so sloppy? Is it because they want to go viral with le funny bad graphs? I'm sure AI could handle "converting test results in an excel document to a visual graph"

enraged_camel•27m ago

The most plausible explanation IMHO is that they are moving at a million miles per hour, and someone forgot to replace some placeholder graphics.

smcleod•27m ago

Looks like the site has succumbed to the HN hug of death:

> Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site. > We can’t connect to the server at www.vibechart.net.

mrcwinn•27m ago

Let's entertain a completely imagined, made up thought experiment.

Imagine a revolutionary technology comes out that has the potential to increase quality of life, longevity and health, productivity and the standard of living, or lead to never before seen economic prosperity, discover new science, explain things about the universe, or simply give lonely people a positive outlet.

Miraculously, this technology is free to use, available to anyone with an internet connection.

But there was one catch: during its release, an error was made on a chart.

Where should this community focus its attention?

ekianjo•24m ago

> But there was one catch: during its release, an error was made on a chart.

that should be a tell that other things may be rigged to look better than they are

moody__•17m ago

After all of this hype this is the best they can do? This is the forefront company (arguable) of the forefront tech and no one can review slides before being shipped out? I think the reason why this has resonated with people is that it gives a "vibe" of not giving a shit, they'll ship whatever next slop generator they want and they expect people to gladly lap it up. Either that or they're using their own dog food and the result is this mess. Do the stats even matter anymore? Is that what they're banking on?

datadrivenangel•12m ago

There is a correlation between good communication and good outcomes. This is bad communication from the people that could maybe get us good outcomes.

maytc•4m ago

They fixed it in the press release charts https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5/

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Vibechart

GPT-5

Cursed Knowledge

Flipper Zero DarkWeb Firmware Bypasses Rolling Code Security

Historical Tech Tree

GPT-5: Key characteristics, pricing and system card

Cursor CLI

OpenAI's new open-source model is basically Phi-5

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Encryption made for police and military radios may be easily cracked

Hubble catches sharpest image yet of 3I/ATLAS

Benchmark Framework Desktop Mainboard and 4-node cluster

Windows XP Professional

Building Bluesky comments for my blog

Achieving 10,000x training data reduction with high-fidelity labels

Infinite Pixels

Touch Mapper – open-source 3D printed tactile maps for the visually impaired

How to sell if your user is not the buyer

Open music foundation models for full-song generation

How AI conquered the US economy: A visual FAQ

Exit Tax: Leave Germany before your business gets big

Show HN: Octofriend, a cute coding agent that can swap between GPT-5 and Claude

Foundry (YC F24) is hiring staff-level product engineers

Gemini CLI GitHub Actions

The Inkhaven Blogging Residency

The Q Programming Language

Spatio-temporal indexing the Bluesky firehose

Lightweight LSAT

Italy's pizza detectives

An LLM does not need to understand MCP