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WHY2025: How to become your own ISP [video]

https://media.ccc.de/v/why2025-9-how-to-become-your-own-isp
92•exiguus•8h ago

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scottgg•6h ago
This is great! I wonder how much the presenters country - the Netherlands - has made this easier with the peering. It’s hard for me to imagine just asking big serious networks to patch you in down here in Switzerland is likely to fly.
mrngm•5h ago
Perhaps get in touch with the people behind SwiNOG? https://www.swinog.ch/ (Swiss Network Operators Group)
db48x•4h ago
It does seem easiest to start with an IX, where you can follow the published rules to join the IX and connection your network to it’s without bothering every other member.
47282847•3h ago
One may have a good chance talking to people behind projects like https://www.community-ix.net/ and good old in-person networking in places like RIPE meetings. Basically everyone there including people working for large telcos have a personal interest in supporting independent structures.
abound•2h ago
I got my own ASN a few months ago (and am in the three+ year waiting list for an IPv4 block), I've been thinking about trying to become a rural ISP in my area, so this is very timely for me.
esseph•2h ago
If you want someone to bounce ideas off of, I've been involved in that space for a very long time and could probably answer a lot of questions with real world experience, regardless of the technology used.
abound•2h ago
I sincerely appreciate the offer, and would love to take you up on it! My email is available from my profile (via my website), or feel free to grab some time: https://cal.bsprague.com/meet

I've mostly looked at wireless (we're in a valley) and fiber

theideaofcoffee•2h ago
If you have serious intentions of starting an ISP, I'd recommend beginning conversations with a few transit providers right away, feeling out rates and commit terms. Armed with some market info and contacts there, start to look at v4 auctions via [0] or similar so you can jump the line, though you'll have to pay for the privilege. You probably won't be able to transfer blocks into your org until you have commits from one or more upstreams (I know ARIN, and I'm assuming you're in north america, has some more stringent reqs in terms of overall usage within a specified time period, so choose the auction size appropriately [1]). You may also want to consider taking a block from your transit, they will often reassign a small prefix out of their larger holdings for customer use. You can often use that as justification for transferring future blocks.

After transit, start to look at facilities to host your equipment, 'cause you'll need to demarc somewhere and hand off to your transit as well.

Lots and lots of details to get right, but I personally think it's a lot of fun.

[0] https://auctions.ipv4.global/

[1] https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#eight5

abound•2h ago
Thanks for the tips! Being in a rural area, there's only a few colocation facilities within ~50 miles, and I need to reach out to them to see who they're connected to. So far, I've only seen that Cogent has a presence here, but the internet doesn't have good things to say about them
bc569a80a344f9c•1h ago
> I've only seen that Cogent has a presence here, but the internet doesn't have good things to say about them

They’re good enough and they’re dirt cheap. Pricing really matters since you pass savings on to your customers. Vermont Telecom, as an example of a reasonably sized regional ISP with thousands of customers, uses Cogent as their primary upstream.

I wouldn’t fall into the trap of trying to build something out using hardware or upstream providers that people on Internet forums that don’t have a financial stake in making an ISP work financially and operationally approve of.

toast0•1h ago
I think Cogent has earned their vibes, but if they're all you can get near you, they're ok enough to get started with.

As you get bigger, you can put a router somewhere (or two somewheres) with cogent and more options and transport through cogent to get back to your service area. Looking at your profile, I think if you can get traffic to Denver, you should have more options there.

theideaofcoffee•51m ago
Cogent is fine for most purposes. They have some odd choices upstream at times but for a smaller project, it shouldn’t be a problem. Later on you could look at a dedicated wave or ring (or tunnel, lots of options!) to another facility that has more diversity and peer through that, but make it work first!
rmoriz•1h ago
LIR and resource fees at RIPE are too damn high compared to ARIN. Europe is hurting itself by punishing small entities.

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