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Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/22/waymo-permit-new-york-city-nyc-rides.html
170•achristmascarl•1h ago•82 comments

Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

https://giuliomagnifico.blog/post/2025-08-18-leaving-gmail/
29•giuliomagnifico•34m ago•25 comments

FFmpeg 8.0

https://ffmpeg.org/index.html#pr8.0
371•gyan•2h ago•119 comments

Sprinkling Self-Doubt on ChatGPT

https://justin.searls.co/posts/sprinkling-self-doubt-on-chatgpt/
6•ingve•30m ago•0 comments

Launch HN: BlankBio (YC S25) - Making RNA Programmable

10•antichronology•1h ago•2 comments

Io_uring, kTLS and Rust for zero syscall HTTPS server

https://blog.habets.se/2025/04/io-uring-ktls-and-rust-for-zero-syscall-https-server.html
400•guntars•14h ago•112 comments

Show HN: Clyp – Clipboard Manager for Linux

https://github.com/murat-cileli/clyp
19•timeoperator•2h ago•18 comments

LabPlot: Free, open source and cross-platform Data Visualization and Analysis

https://labplot.org/
131•turrini•9h ago•21 comments

Does MHz Still Matter?

https://www.ubicloud.com/blog/does-mhz-still-matter
31•furkansahin•3h ago•10 comments

Show HN: Pinch – macOS voice translation for real-time conversations

https://www.startpinch.com/
11•christiansafka•2d ago•7 comments

DeepSeek-v3.1

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250821
695•wertyk•23h ago•231 comments

The US Department of Agriculture Bans Support for Renewables

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/19082025/usda-bans-farm-renewables-support/
17•mooreds•20m ago•4 comments

Vibe Debugging: Enterprises' Up and Coming Nightmare

https://marketsaintefficient.substack.com/p/vibe-debugging-enterprises-up-and
55•someoneloser•2h ago•39 comments

The issue of anti-cheat on Linux

https://tulach.cc/the-issue-of-anti-cheat-on-linux/
18•todsacerdoti•17h ago•3 comments

What about using rel="share-url" to expose sharing intents?

https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/08/what-about-using-relshare-url-to-expose-sharing-intents/
60•edent•6h ago•25 comments

Making LLMs Cheaper and Better via Performance-Efficiency Optimized Routing

https://arxiv.org/abs/2508.12631
67•omarsar•3h ago•16 comments

Launch HN: Inconvo (YC S23) – AI agents for customer-facing analytics

23•ogham•5h ago•14 comments

XSLT removal will break multiple government and regulatory sites

https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11582
49•colejohnson66•37m ago•18 comments

A Guide to Gen AI / LLM Vibecoding for Expert Programmers

https://www.stochasticlifestyle.com/a-guide-to-gen-ai-llm-vibecoding-for-expert-programmers/
60•ChrisRackauckas•3h ago•49 comments

Everything is correlated (2014–23)

https://gwern.net/everything
219•gmays•16h ago•100 comments

Control shopping cart wheels with your phone (2021)

https://www.begaydocrime.com/
244•mystraline•17h ago•111 comments

Build Log: Macintosh Classic

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/build-log-macintosh-classic
16•speckx•4h ago•2 comments

VHS-C: When a lazy idea stumbles towards perfection [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFYWHeBhYbM
143•surprisetalk•4d ago•83 comments

The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz2LeXwJOyI
38•zichy•10h ago•51 comments

Code formatting comes to uv experimentally

https://pydevtools.com/blog/uv-format-code-formatting-comes-to-uv-experimentally/
328•tanelpoder•21h ago•228 comments

It’s not wrong that "🤦🏼‍♂️".length == 7 (2019)

https://hsivonen.fi/string-length/
101•program•11h ago•141 comments

Closing the Nix Gap: From Environments to Packaged Applications for Rust

https://devenv.sh/blog/2025/08/22/closing-the-nix-gap-from-environments-to-packaged-applications-for-rust/
5•domenkozar•2h ago•0 comments

All managers make mistakes; good managers acknowledge and repair

https://terriblesoftware.org/2025/08/22/the-management-skill-nobody-talks-about/
230•matheusml•5h ago•107 comments

4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq68j5g2nr1o
259•donpott•8h ago•273 comments

Go is still not good

https://blog.habets.se/2025/07/Go-is-still-not-good.html
431•ustad•8h ago•558 comments
Open in hackernews

Thunderbird Pro August 2025 Update

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/08/tbpro-august-2025-update/
147•mnmalst•3h ago

Comments

mnmalst•3h ago
> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill.

This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.

defraudbah•3h ago
gateway timeout :\
nalinidash•3h ago
site down, archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250822103720/https://blog.thun...
mnmalst•3h ago
Site works for me but a backup link can't hurt.
newscracker•3h ago
Here’s the link for anyone wanting to join the waitlist for Thundermail (the service):

https://www.thundermail.com/

I really hope this takes off well and provides some funding for the Thunderbird project too. Currently the only way to monetarily support Thunderbird is through donations (https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/ ).

jannes•2h ago
> [...] support Thunderbird is through donations

I doubt donations to MZLA Technologies Corporation will reach the Thunderbird project in any meaningful way.

They'll just use it to pay their executive salaries.

josteink•1h ago
Or support radical activist groups unrelated to software or technology.

Absolutely bonkers.

paulryanrogers•32m ago
Like?
alecsm•3h ago
> The upcoming email hosting service from Thunderbird will support IMAP, SMTP and JMAP out of the box

Is there any email hosting out there with support for JMAP?

alibrarydweller•3h ago
Fastmail has had it for a while.
TkTech•3h ago
I'd hope so, they kinda made it :)
newscracker•3h ago
AFAIK, only Fastmail (which was the creator of JMAP).
sevkih•3h ago
Also https://stalw.art/
abound•3h ago
Stalwart is a mail server program, not a live email server you can pay someone money to use.

One can of course use Stalwart to run a hosted email service.

sevkih•2h ago
https://stalw.art/managed-email/

> Let us handle the complexities of your email infrastructure with our comprehensive managed email server service.

abound•2h ago
That's fair! I didn't know they were offering that. I think it's a recent development -- it's not generally available ("contact us"), and it seems more focused at enterprise-type deployments than end-user mail that your typical Fastmail/Protonmail/etc.

But for the original question:

> Is there any email hosting out there with support for JMAP?

Stalwart really isn't a practical answer, at least yet.

lb_•3h ago
Thundermail uses Stalwart
PopAlongKid•3h ago
I much prefer POP, as I only send and receive emails on my desktop computer and I want to decide when I fetch new emails. Is there any way to make IMAP work more like POP?
Jaxan•2h ago
Just disable any automatic fetching. IMAP is not pushing mails to you, but the client regularly pulls.
homebrewer•1h ago
fdm, imapsync, lots of similar alternatives. Synchronize email to your machine and then use any MUA, or even several of them, to read it from a local directory (Thunderbird also works AFAIK).

They can also remove email from the remote and keep just the local copy. Pretty much 1:1 with POP. I've been using this setup (with fdm) for probably more than a decade.

yogorenapan•3h ago
I find this totally reasonable. I think it's a good way to fund open source. I just hope this doesn't create any perverse incentives to make self hosting harder than necessary
perihelions•3h ago
Previous thread on the initial product announcement,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43560885 ("Mozilla launching “Thundermail” email service to take on Gmail, Microsoft 365 (techradar.com)"—4 months ago, 341 comments)

NoSalt•3h ago
I'm hoping this doesn't mean that "regular" Thunderbird will be phased out. :-/
MissTake•2h ago
This is about the Thundermail service - not the email client.
ilvez•1h ago
Adding these additional subscription services will never compromise the features, stability or functionality our users are accustomed to in the free Thunderbird desktop and mobile applications. These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill.
TiredOfLife•1h ago
> Adding these additional subscription services will never compromise the features, stability or functionality our users are accustomed to in the free Thunderbird desktop and mobile applications.

Has this been true ever?

sunaookami•3h ago
Any info on pricing for Thundermail?
mnmalst•3h ago
I haven't seen any information on that.
nik736•3h ago
I am still waiting for the announced redesign in 2022 [0] :-)

[0]: https://www.omglinux.com/major-thunderbird-redesign-early-lo...

lol768•2h ago
It's such a shame that what was shipped there was so far off what the designs had suggested might be possible [1]

Two years ago we were told:

> We're going to build it right, and that means rewriting large pieces of our codebase. We'll ship the remaining stuff when they are ready.

I'm not sure how much more of the designs have actually been realised since then?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36664515

andrepd•2h ago
> No menus

> Cryptic icons with no text

> Optimised for looking good on a screenshot and not for actual user interaction

No thanks :)

mixmastamyk•2h ago
Indeed, and 16:9 monitors are passé already.
bee_rider•2h ago
Someone should really make a UI where three black lines is a skewmorphic grippy surface (like you see on steps sometimes) to move the window around, just to mess with the hamburger menu devotees.
jacobgkau•2h ago
It's mostly already available, just not the default: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/08/make-thunderbird-yours-...

I followed the steps in that blog post and was able to mostly get there. I have a bit less padding between folders than the mock-up showed (which seems like a theme thing rather than a configuration item), and I don't have profile pictures in the message list.

rollcat•1h ago
I really wish we could make uniformity a trend again. GTK has basically made it a rule that applications must do whatever the heck they want.

Then next day I'm using Inkscape on a Mac. Cmd-A on the canvas selects all elements. Cmd-A in a text field selects all elements on the canvas - and whatever text was in the field, now applies to the selection, so I start typing and instantly get garbage.

How do you Select All in a text field? Ctrl-A of course! - On the only system that has a non-broken copy/paste in the terminal.

I guess props to Thunderbird for leaving some space on the title bar to drag the window around? Do not take it for granted.

seemaze•3h ago
Great to see Thunderbird sponsoring the previous fork of Firefox Send[0]. I employed that for a short time and thoroughly enjoyed it!

[0] https://gitlab.com/timvisee/send

viscountchocula•3h ago
I wonder if there's a plan to prevent the spam/malware/csam issues of the previous iteration of Send. Maybe that it's a paid service will help stop that?
Pxtl•2h ago
I hope we'll see them set up as an Identity Provider for oAUTH/SAML/OpenID/whatever other stupid plethora of single-sign-on protocols there are. It's disappointing to always see Facebook and Google for single-sign-on providers, never a privacy-respecting OSS org.
clickety_clack•2h ago
The @thundermail.com domain name is pretty solid. The domain name is an underrated aspect of email services IMO.
kayson•2h ago
The Thunderbird Pro Add-on Repo [1] doesn't really make it clear - if I want to self host Appointment and Send, do I need to build the addon myself and change the endpoints? Or is there some kind of config?

1. https://github.com/thunderbird/tbpro-add-on

sherr•2h ago
I've used Thunderbird ever since it was released as a standalone mail client and like it - although it has sometimes been a rocky experience in the past. I use it now with Fastmail as my mail provider.

One thing I might be interested in is the "contacts" side of mail. In an effort to move away from too much Google, I ditched Google Contacts and host my own CardDAV using "Radicale" [0]. This works, and I also access it via DAVx on Android.

But would a CardDAV server be something worthwhile via Thundermail? Or perhaps too small a service itself? Maybe part of their scheduling tool "Appointment"? I might prefer having this hosted elsewhere than in my house.

[0] https://radicale.org/v3.html

pjerem•1h ago
Is there a reason why you don’t use FastMail’s CalDav server ?

https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000278342-Se...

josteink•1h ago
And CardDAV too:

https://www.fastmail.com/blog/carddav-your-contacts-everywhe...

sherr•17m ago
I had to think to recall the reason. I had a support ticket at Fastmail about this in 2024 - I wanted to host my own CardDAV server and have Fastmail use and sync to this. This was not possible - I was told that two-way sync with other services was a "calendar only feature". I might re-visit.
uncircle•15m ago
Do you like Thunderbird better than Fastmail’s UI?

I’ve always felt TB to be clunky, outdated with an ecosystem of abandoned extensions that haven’t been updated since GMail got popular, but I haven’t tried it in the last 3 years to see if it got better.