Teachers at my school do not believe allergies are real! If there is asthma attack, it is an uncorrelated event! School will stab my kid with epipen, call ambulance and send me hospital bill! Avoiding it is too much work!

Once school brought unrestrained police dogs to school for a demonstration! Those had a record of attacking and torturing suspects!

Being able to call help is a basic human right!

Taking your phone out when I was in school meant having it placed on the teachers desk until the end of class, and possibly some other kind of penalty if they particularly didn’t like you. But you always got your phone back before leaving the class.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/24/california-s...

What's a ridiculous appeal to emotion. Between 2020 and 2022 there were 131 school shooting deaths, including suicides. Let's put those all in 2022, and assume that there were actually 0 suicides.

That means you have a 0.0026% chance to be killed (at most) in a school shooting. This is too much, but this is not the reason to allow cell phones in schools. Come on.

That's not science, that's a demonstrably false assumption that everyone thinks smartphone usage is bad for kids.

In my experience with kids and smartphones, kids of the young generation (gen Z) are way better informed (and less brainwashed) than kids of their parents' generation were, whose only access to information about the world when growing up was through the captured, centralised legacy media.

"vocational school"

Are we going to draft laws to ban fiction books from school because kids might be reading books during class? Because I literally saw that happen when I was in school. Obviously unrelated things to the class shouldn't be used during class, but these phone bans go beyond just the classroom.

I ask for evidence, because all the evidence I've seen on it has been effectively nothing. The studies are vague, get weak results or draw conclusions that aren't supported by the study. Eg there were some Spanish regions that banned phones in school. Soon after they scored higher on PISA, this was naturally used to support the ban. But the next round they scored lower than before the ban.

Banning phones in schools seems almost entirely to me about "kids these days are ruined". Phones are just the easy culprit to point to. Meanwhile phone bans do infringe on the liberties of the kids. You are taking something away from them.

No, we are not. The post I'm replying to is talking about banning phones in schools entirely, not just during class time. (Why else would the implication be about kids sneaking phones into bathrooms?)

I would also like to point out that children who grow up without using technology will be bad at using that technology. We already have a generation of kids who suck at using computers. Will the next generation be the same way for phones too? Who are we building all this digital infrastructure for then? Look at the older generations and how helpless they are with technology. That's what we're going to get with kids who don't use technology growing up.

Anyone can read that site and make up their minds about the scientific merit of it's claims.

I assume it's very intentional that it's right down the bottom in tiny text that's it state government owned media vehicle

> https://theconversation.com/we-looked-at-all-the-recent-evid...

"Our team screened 1,317 articles and reports as well as dissertations from masters and PhD students. We identified 22 studies that examined schools before and after phone bans."

"Our research found four studies that identified a slight improvement in academic achievement when phones were banned in schools. However, two of these studies found this improvement only applied to disadvantaged or low-achieving students."

"In a sign of just how little research there is on this topic, 12 of the studies we identified were done by masters and doctoral students. This means they are not peer-reviewed"

Do you really want to keep wasting people's times here because I'm more than happy to debate it with someone who actually cares.

Nothing in that article suggests it's of overwhelming benefit. I'm talking much bigger than teachers having an easier job too, education outcomes like this take decades to be seen.

> https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/mobile-phone-ban-impro...

>gov.au/media-releases/

Mate you've spammed us all with the first things you've found on google. Correct?