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Over 100 ships have sailed with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

https://www.nrk.no/vestland/xl/over-100-ships-have-sailed-without-legitimate-insurance-from-the-norwegian-company-ro-marine-1.17565216
106•aregue•2h ago

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jimnotgym•1h ago
This is how we will lose this war. 'Everyone knows it is fake', probably the authorities too. But dealing with it in modern bureaucracy will take years, by which time another fake insurer is up and running.
renewiltord•25m ago
It’s important to follow due process. We need more checks and balances, not fewer. Ideally, any accusations like this should first go through a careful examination by a jury of one’s peers rather than just being posted willy nilly.

We need to follow the process. And the process should be extensive. This is a problem of not enough process. Ideally, we could have more.

diggan•13m ago
> Ideally, any accusations like this should first go through a careful examination by a jury of one’s peers rather than just being posted willy nilly.

Does Norway even have juries? At least in Sweden we don't have any juries in court (and the two countries tend to be more similar than not), so while the overall comment sounds fitting (and I agree), some details seem to miss the detail of what country this is about :)

renewiltord•5m ago
Haha, I was explaining how it should be. Not how it is.
colechristensen•13m ago
Due process needs to be a lot faster and it could be. Things which warrant immediate action are delayed by months, years, or decades by wildly inefficient and slow processes that have nothing to do with someone's right to fair judgement.
renewiltord•4m ago
We shouldn’t rush to judgment. A few years sounds like a good period of time for things that could affect someone’s life. One could argue it should take a century or more to convict people of such crimes. How can we be sure it’s not politically motivated? Only way is to ensure that we wait for political change and see if the crime is still to be prosecuted.
hn_throw_250910•1h ago
I like the Tom Clancy vibes of this. There’s a Sum of All Fears in there somewhere.

On a more serious note this reminds me of the crime occurring in Canada. They have a car theft pipeline in place with paperwork at the MOT level. The cars end up being shipped to Africa in less time than you might think - this is one outcome, but there are others. Nobody really “cares” enough even though one of the mayors stated everyone they know in their neighborhood has had their car stolen.

The war was already lost, at home and abroad.

p0wn•57m ago
Thieves are good for the economy. They force consumers to consume more.
koakuma-chan•43m ago
Just use public transit, it's good for environment
smithkl42•37m ago
This is a classic example of Poe's Law. If it's satire, it's brilliant. If it's serious, well ...
stronglikedan•5m ago
Canada also recommended to leave residential doors unlocked with the car keys in plain sight to reduce the chances of property damage and personal harm when the thieves come for your car, so Canada can get stuffed.
Taek•5m ago
Are you able to unpack that more? Are people not proud of themselves and their culture? Do they not want to prioritize the safety of themselves and their possessions?
Simulacra•13m ago
For some context, I strongly encourage you to read "90% of everything" by Rose George. It is a brilliant expose of the shipping industry, and it's a really bad industry. Flags of convenience, forcing people to work on ships, not paying them, not even really caring if they fall overboard. The international shipping industry is damn near a hate crime.
andix•1m ago
It’s crazy how modern and complex company structures became impossible to govern.

There are so many cases in which criminals just open a ton of new companies, to overload the authorities. Until the authorities shut something down, they moved on three times already.

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