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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

https://netzpolitik.org/2025/internes-protokoll-daenemark-will-chatkontrolle-durchdruecken/
113•Improvement•2h ago

Comments

edwinjm•1h ago
You would think the Danish are smarter than this.
TheChaplain•1h ago
The Danes are smart, but history have repeatedly proven that people are deceptive, even the seemingly trustworthy ones that hands out promises for votes.
nicce•1h ago
They have used Palantir for years. There is that.
lucketone•45m ago
Denmark is the embassy of American NSA in Europe.
hkon•1h ago
Does anyone really think it won't pass?
TheChaplain•1h ago
It will, in one form or another. And after some time there are enough boiled frogs for further privacy invasive measures.
mvanbaak•1h ago
Of course it will pass. Think of the children
saubeidl•1h ago
It might pass, but if it does, the courts will strike it down. Separation of powers still works in the EU.
jMyles•1h ago
In the legislative sense, it might eventually pass.

As has happened in every case so far (with increasing intensity and ease), the internet will route around it.

Bender•1h ago
the internet will route around it

How will the internet route around client side scanning? Some here will not be affected but I suspect the masses would have a harder time assuming they are even aware that cell phones, Windows recall and Mac mediaanalysisd are performing scans. Most people do not install custom phone OS images.

walterbell•44m ago
> Mac mediaanalysisd are performing scans

Would this work? https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/u17hsa/please_help_m...

  sudo killall -STOP mediaanalysisd mediaanalysisd-access
Bender•20m ago
If they start doing client side scanning under some law I assume they will put measures in place to fix anything the client does to break it so I think time will tell what will be effective.
nayroclade•1h ago
Enjoy democracy, EU-style
smartbit•1h ago
Any protests planned?
betaby•1h ago
Protests are forbidden too.
adamtulinius•56m ago
There was one this Sunday, but it wasn't even mentioned in the news.
zzzeek•1h ago
I guess all the european folks will want to move to the US.

I'll let ICE know you're all coming!

MaxikCZ•32m ago
Id sooner move to china than US
IlikeMadison•1h ago
>Now Paris “on the whole” agrees with the draft. France welcomes both mandatory chat control and client-side scanning.

A few months ago, a broad security law was passed by the National Assembly in France. Initially, this law contained provisions, including the scanning of private messages, which were removed from the main text by a large majority of lawmakers, as it was deemed too intrusive.

The few officials (including Macron) who now claim that "France is OK with chat control" represent a minority that currently holds power in a country whose government was ousted less than two weeks ago.

Crooks.

homarp•21m ago
see also https://tuta.com/blog/france-law-encryption
atomic128•1h ago
If you have been watching the world in 2025 you know Tor is gradually becoming essential. Install the Tor Browser and search for free speech in the hidden service HTTP response dumps here: https://rnsaffn.com/zg4/ Not censored, not safe for work, sorry.
whatshisface•43m ago
It sounds like chat control will require Tor clients in Europe to scan traffic before it is encrypted and report material to (local?) governments. This could be enforced, on phones at least, with Android's new developer key signing requirements that are slated to be phased in one year from now (in 2026).
perelin•2m ago
Tor on mobile devices (at least iOS, Android) is not recommended anyway. Guess true Linux phones might finally see their hour.
lordnacho•58m ago
What I don't understand is, why don't the authorities think the actual bad guys will avoid the surveillance?

It seems to me that organized crime will find their own solution, and the rest of us will occasionally have a snooping policeman checking our private messages. It's not unknown, even in Denmark, that people who are given access to private data will abuse it, eg snooping on ex girlfriends, that kind of thing.

Why do people think this chat control thing will be effective?

timschmidt•52m ago
I think most people, if pressed, would share your evaluation. However, even though surveillance is always marketed and sold as a tool for law enforcement, I think the people proposing such bills are aware that it's primary use is for political control, power, and espionage.

Safety is the bait in the bait and switch. So the measure is not whether or not surveillance actually works for making people safer. But whether or not it actually works as bait.

lucketone•47m ago
It is additional tool. More tools -> better chance at catching the criminals.

Downsides are purely theoretical and only brought up by conspiracy theorists and academics.

(Technically correct, the best kind..)

slaw•31m ago
It is never about bad guys or protect the children. It is a political control.
danaris•31m ago
This is a very complex question.

Part of the answer is that they think the surveillance will be magically omniscient, because it's technology they don't understand.

Part of the answer is that they think that if there's a tool they could possibly have to give law enforcement more power, they must have it.

Part of it is that they don't care so much about actual bad guys, but about exercising absolute control over the general populace.

Part of it is that they don't believe that crime can actually be eliminated, but they do believe that they have to continue to take all possible measures against it.

And part of it is just that they don't think it's politically safe for them to oppose a measure like this (similar to, but not quite the same as, the second point above).

IncreasePosts•30m ago
Ask your local corporate IT guy how many people browse porn on work computers, even though they must know it's logged.
morkalork•19m ago
There is already a market for secure phones used by organized crime, this will only intensify the demand (plus another opportunity for to infiltrate them like has also happened before)
msm_•13m ago
As a devil's advocate, there are also criminal groups, right now, that do actual crime, that operate on discord. 99% of criminals likely don't have enough knowledge to maintain proper opsec, so spying on chats could in principle help here.

On the other hand, there are also criminal groups, right now, that do actual crime, that operate on discord. Going after them would be trivial in comparison, and yet we introduce extreme spying laws instead.

puppycodes•42m ago
I didn't think Denmark was a pseudo-democracy but you learn new things every day.
whatshisface•42m ago
Who would be allowed to configure the scanners and receive the reports, an EU security body, or the member states?
pessimizer•35m ago
I would have to assume Palantir or Crowdstrike's new European divisions.
downrightmike•34m ago
I can't wait to find out what politicians are sending!
Sharlin•29m ago
The text, of course, excludes politicians and other important people(tm) from being monitored.
jbstack•9m ago
Will Chat Control be retrospective? I.e. once it's implemented will governments have access to all previous communications or just those from that point onwards? Also how does it work geographically? Is it based on my location, where my phone was made/bought, something else...?
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