Which, as others have pointed out, makes it a field of dubious utility on a document intended for unique identification.
This here has more to do with Trump pushing down a certain agenda. They also only focus on what they conveniently look as a "problem" while ignoring every other situation, such as genetic conditions.
Correct.
> sex field which means the biological sex
The idea that there's a binary "biological sex" is also wrong. There are many choices for what you can mean by that and for every one there will be outliers that classify as both/neither. (the points bounce up and down, but - feel free to post the specific criteria that you think avoid this issue instead)
I think the "gender" field is weird though. It reads "M" or "F". Why can't I say I don't care about this field? I feel as if the government is spying on me. They can autofill that field on their own. It's weird that passports specify that after all are already required to fingerprint here.
It is possible this decision triggers a debate that results in "gender on passports" being rethought.
Would be a silver lining.
thomassmith65•4h ago
That said, something like 0.5% of humanity are hermaphrodites. It is odd that such people no longer officially exist.
I am also the sort of person who likes the confusion that conversation about gender causes people. Joel Spolsky popularized the term "leaky abstraction" in programming. It applies to most, if not all, of the categories we humans apply to the world.
I see the war against "nonbinary" sex codes as a war against sophisticated thinking. It will make Americans a little bit dumber.
saubeidl•4h ago
I am not trans and not impacted by this in any way. Nonetheless, this worries me as trans people are just a small, convenient group to use to normalize state repression.
"First they came for the trans people and I didn't speak out, because I wasn't trans"
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heavyset_go•1h ago
You don't label people and organizations terrorists, probably the worst designation the post-9/11 US state can give anyone, unless you have plans to do something about them. Even Obama droned Americans to death that the state deemed were terrorists without trial.
That, at the very least, should give you pause.
ben_w•3h ago
But as a deeper question: why is gender even listed on a passport in the first place? Why does it matter for the thing a passport does, letting you pass through a port?
Picture: yes, is the person standing in front of me authorised to travel in general? Name: yes, is the person standing in front of me connected to this specific non-transferable ticket with a name on it?
Gender: who cares, it's not like planes and trains have separate male and female seating and toilets.
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danaris•26m ago
What country is this, anyway? Y'know, so my wife and I can never ever go there.
jojobas•13m ago
Most countries with sleeper trains have this, say Italy and Germany.
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shevy-java•1h ago
That is a very valid question. We already have face-scans and fingerprint IDs so we are all treated as criminals. There is indeed zero point to have a binary-toggle field where one has to identify as either male or female. I'd like to add here that I don't care about this field; or I would want to check that I am an epic supergender, the very best - 'A' for awesome. But they don't allow this, so I don't want to have to care about this weird grouping I disagree with.
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viraptor•2h ago
If you're thinking ambiguous genitalia, the number is much lower. But other intersex characteristics are higher percentage.
vkou•1h ago
It's not. It's a war against people who don't confirm to traditional gender roles, regardless of whether they are trans, gay, or just a square peg that doesn't fit in the round hole.
Think for a moment about what happens when a visibly trans person uses a washroom that matches their assigned-at-birth gender.
The exact same people who freak out over trans people using a bathroom that matches their transitioned-to gender, and who got those laws passed, lose their shit when they see a female-to-male trans person with a 5-o'clock shadow walking into the ladies' washroom.
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danaris•27m ago
Frankly, there isn't really a good reason that we should have a gender marker on our passports. The picture should be enough for any agent trying to visually identify us, and until and unless we can get to a world where every country is fully accepting of trans (and intersex) people, having a gender marker there forces them to make a choice between using a marker that does not match their gender identity (and thus may very well give them dysphoria), or using a marker that makes them a target for transphobic officials. (This is all true of drivers' licenses, too.)