Interesting, I never knew about this. I do remember that NeXT ported OPENSTEP to Windows NT as OPENSTEP Enterprise.
malkia•3mo ago
I still have WebObjects 4.5.2, but could not get hands on the YellowBox
dottrap•3mo ago
Microsoft's timing was the worst. I think they announced this a year after Swift was already announced, but before Swift was open sourced. So Microsoft wouldn't be able to deal with things like Obj-C/Swift interop which iOS developers were already jumping onto. And Microsoft's Windows 8 mobile initiative was pretty clearly a flop by this point.
Frankly, this Obj-C effort needed to be done way earlier, starting with AppKit, like back when Microsoft was panicking that OS X 10.4 Tiger was going to kick Longhorn's butt. If these tools had already been proven useful before the dawn of the iPhone, Microsoft might have had a chance of riding the iOS wave.
extraduder_ire•3mo ago
I think a separate objective-c runtime was ported to windows by apple for itunes and later safari to work.
svth•3mo ago
If I recall correctly, iTunes was a Carbon application. They ported parts of the Carbon APIs to get it running on Windows.
tonyedgecombe•3mo ago
I do remember it had its own font rendering which looked out of place on Windows.
agsnu•3mo ago
QuickTime for Windows existed long before then, and Apple ported a bunch of the old Classic Mac Toolbox to Windows as part of that.
IIRC it was actually this Windows port of Toolbox that in some ways laid the foundation for Carbon - i.e. a port of the Toolbox API to what became Mac OS X.
lukeh•3mo ago
Yes, this is correct.
stuaxo•3mo ago
Interesting stuff, I wish there was a way it would get open sourced one day.
stuaxo•3mo ago
There seem to be bunch of DLLs in iTunes and Safari with familiar names.
Would have been good if someone made bindings for them, it would have been interesting to see what MacOS like stuff could work there, even if it just python bindings.
fithisux•3mo ago
There is also GNUStep.
JSR_FDED•3mo ago
I miss Objective-C, it’s just so darn readable (once you know what @ and [] do)
millerm•3mo ago
I wholeheartedly agree. I had a great time in Objective-C.
fithisux•3mo ago
Yes Objective-C is THE C with objects.
I do not understand why Microsoft stopped this effort.
Paired with Win32 is easier than C++.
dardeaup•3mo ago
Missing reference to 2015/2016.
1970-01-01•3mo ago
Oh, they've got a well-structured roadmap with milestones. Surely, this is will be a long-lasting bridge. And last commit was 3 years ago. And "This repository was archived by the owner on May 28, 2025. It is now read-only."
It's dead but still around. This is the stuff ripe for Jia Tan v4.0 to revive and backdoor.
sillywalk•3mo ago
malkia•3mo ago
dottrap•3mo ago
Frankly, this Obj-C effort needed to be done way earlier, starting with AppKit, like back when Microsoft was panicking that OS X 10.4 Tiger was going to kick Longhorn's butt. If these tools had already been proven useful before the dawn of the iPhone, Microsoft might have had a chance of riding the iOS wave.
extraduder_ire•3mo ago
svth•3mo ago
tonyedgecombe•3mo ago
agsnu•3mo ago
IIRC it was actually this Windows port of Toolbox that in some ways laid the foundation for Carbon - i.e. a port of the Toolbox API to what became Mac OS X.
lukeh•3mo ago
stuaxo•3mo ago
stuaxo•3mo ago
Would have been good if someone made bindings for them, it would have been interesting to see what MacOS like stuff could work there, even if it just python bindings.
fithisux•3mo ago