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Show HN: I built a local-first daily planner for iOS

https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/to-do-list-planner-zesfy/id6479947874
52•zesfy•4h ago

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qwertytyyuu•3h ago
hmmm... a planner is one of the few things that i'd like to have access to regardless of what i'm using... One of the few things i don't mind and even slightly prefer to be online first for seemless sync (with the ability to edit and add to offline ofcourse)
lugarlugarlugar•2h ago
Local-first should mean that you do have it regardless of what you're using. Point 2 in Ink&Switch's original essay is "Your data is not trapped on one device".

https://www.inkandswitch.com/essay/local-first/

embedding-shape•2h ago
FWIW, the term "local-first" wasn't coined by Ink&Switch so different people have different understanding of the term.

But, Ink&Switch rule regardless, I love what they're doing and everyone would be better off doing "local-first" in the way they suggest, don't get me wrong.

shinycode•3h ago
I fail to see features that default iOS calendar app already has. The UI seems really simple and there is dozens of amazing calendar apps that have been on the market for 10+ years of features in this price range.
stronglikedan•2h ago
> I fail to see features that default iOS calendar app already has.

presumably local-first

wahnfrieden•1h ago
How is iOS calendar not local-first
drob518•1h ago
What does that mean?
ActionHank•2h ago
Love the app, hate IAP / subs model
petralithic•1h ago
That's the only sustainable model these days, speaking as a mobile dev myself.
spiderice•1h ago
What changed that made selling software (as opposed to renting) work before that prevents it from working now?
dragonwriter•1h ago
There used to be a lot less expectation of post-sale maintenance of consumer software in the era where sales rather than subscriptions were the norm. There was also tolerance for higher up-front prices, and for much of that period sales depended on marketing through and validation by a narrow set of relatively trusted discovery channels, which customer the perceived risk to buyers. Now everything is untrusted, no one wants to pay much upfront but everyone expects ongoing support over they've got the thing. I’m not saying subscription is the only thing that works, but it's pretty easy to see that the calculus facing the average vendor has shifted tremendously over time.
devmor•54m ago
fwiw the expectation of post-sale maintenance would not be nearly as egregious if companies were not regularly pushing new updates that cause new issues

it is a problem of ones own making

allenu•46m ago
It's a bunch of things. In the old days, if you bought software in a box for your OS (let's say DOS), you didn't expect it to need to be updated. It also continued to work just fine and maybe you didn't update your OS that frequently or had security issues to worry about. Nowadays, iOS gets updated every year and APIs get deprecated, and users update, so you have to maintain the app after initially shipping it.

A lot of people also expect the software to add features over time. In the old days, you'd ship a brand new major version and charge people for that and stop working on the old one. With the App Store, I suppose you could technically abandon the old version and sell a whole new version, but then all your old users will be annoyed if the app is removed from the store or no longer works when they update their OS. You could gate new features behind a paywall, and I know some apps do this, but then it adds to the complexity of the app as you have to worry about features that work for some users but not others.

I think people also expect software nowadays to be cheap or free, I think due to large corporations being able to fund free stuff (say gmail) by other means (say ads or tracking users). That means users would balk if you asked them to pay $50 for your little calendar app, so if you did ask for a one-time payment, it would be $5-$10, which is nowhere near enough to recoup whatever time you spent, unless you hit it big. Hitting it big nowadays with an app is difficult since there's so much competition in the App Stores and everyone has raced to the bottom to sell apps for pennies.

Otek•1h ago
Weird. Things3 seems to be doing great without it
ActionHank•59m ago
Sell me a major version every couple of years, would far prefer that. IAP and subs just feels scammy and lazy.
bigyabai•10m ago
I hope you don't mind my $0.00 annual mobile spend as a result.
jon-wood•2h ago
If this were available on macOS as well, and did sync via iCloud I'd be all over it. It's a great model for a calendar/task manager but I really don't want to have to squint at my phone screen while using it.
criddell•1h ago
If the developer checked the enable the Mac Catalyst destination in the Xcode project, you should be able to run it on your Mac.
paxys•2h ago
> Morocco runs on UTC+1 most of the year but switches to UTC during Ramadan to shorten the fasting day

Unrelated, but I love coming across religious "hacks" like these that communities have developed over the years.

A similar one is the fishing line that jews tied around New York to get around the rules of Sabbath https://www.npr.org/2019/05/13/721551785/a-fishing-line-enci....

nightpool•2h ago
I think you left this comment on the wrong article ;)
stronglikedan•2h ago
Indeed I did, thanks!
unmotivated-hmn•2h ago
how many accounts do you have, my guy?
Jeremy1026•56m ago
Only 2.
paxys•2h ago
Haha yes, but it was unrelated either way
g00k•2h ago
Looks nice. I will give this a try today
dinkleberg•2h ago
It looks well done. It is a shame that people posting reviews can be such dickheads. Out of the 4 public reviews, 3 are 1 star and only one of those is because of an actual issue. One is because the app isn’t right for them. The other because they wanted dark mode (really? You like the app enough to care that it doesn’t have dark mode but still gave it a 1 star?)
jeroenhd•19m ago
For 20 bucks a year without any sort of cloud servers to pay for, I'd expect dark mode at the very least. The app looks nice of course, but it's priced quite steeply.

If you charge a premium, customers will have high expectations.

donq1xote1•2h ago
Looks awesome! I will give it a try. Wondering what's ur monetization plan though.
raybb•1h ago
I don't have an iPhone to try this, but I've been a long time time user of Tasks.org on Android and particularly because it supports CalDAV and works so well offline.

However, while we are on the topic of planning apps, you should know the Todoist added the best use of AI I've ever seen. It's called Ramble mode and you can just talk and instantly it'll start showing a list of tasks that update as you go. It is extraordinary. I'm considering switching away from tasks.org for this one feature.

Here's a short video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIczFm3Dy5I

You need paid (free trial is ok) and to enable experiments before you can access it.

Anyone know how they might have done this?

sburud•1h ago
That’s cool! Slight fear of replicating the Dropbox comment here, but all you really need to do is run whisper (or some other speech2text), then once the user stops talking jam the transcript through a LLM to force it into JSON or some other sensible structure.
raybb•14m ago
"once the user stops talking" is a key insight here for me. When using this I wasn't intentionally pausing to let it figure out an answer. It seemed to just pop up while I was talking. But upon experimenting some more it does seem to wait until here's a bit of a pause most of the time.

However it's still wild to me how fast and responsive it is. I can talk for 10 seconds and then in ~500ms I see the updates. Perhaps it doesn't even transcribe and rather feeds the audio to a multimodal llm along with whatever tasks it already knows about? Or maybe it's transcribing live as you talk and when you stop it sends it to the llm.

Anyone have a sense of what model they might be using?

makingstuffs•10m ago
I cannot remember off the top of my head the exact number and am clearly too lazy to google it but there is a specific length of time in which, if no new noises pass through, the human brain processes it as a pause/silence.

I want to say 300ms which would coincide with your 500ms example

ichicoro•1h ago
I'm sorry, I like the look and the idea but... why is a subscription necessary for a local-first app?
lnxg33k1•1h ago
I suspect the guy enjoys some food every now and then
artdigital•1h ago
I’m with the parent on this. I don’t mind subscriptions if a service is provided that justifies the recurring cost. If it’s a local offline app then I don’t see it justified. Price it accordingly or at least give an option for one-time.

But yes, sub vs non-sub model is a very divisive topic. Personally would never subscribe to something like a offline local todo list

umpalumpaaa•47m ago
there are a lot of apps that do this though… eg. git tower. Sketch. Etc. Not saying that I like it or anything. Maybe its the combination of local first + an app that seems to be trivial (I am sure it was not but if you hear "daily planner" I think its reasonable to assume that its less complex than a git client and/or an app like Sketch).
bigyabai•10m ago
Everything will cost you, in Apple's ecosystem. This is just another line on the tab.

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