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OpenCiv3: Open-source, cross-platform reimagining of Civilization III

https://openciv3.org/
613•klaussilveira•12h ago•180 comments

The Waymo World Model

https://waymo.com/blog/2026/02/the-waymo-world-model-a-new-frontier-for-autonomous-driving-simula...
918•xnx•17h ago•545 comments

What Is Ruliology?

https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2026/01/what-is-ruliology/
30•helloplanets•4d ago•22 comments

How we made geo joins 400× faster with H3 indexes

https://floedb.ai/blog/how-we-made-geo-joins-400-faster-with-h3-indexes
102•matheusalmeida•1d ago•25 comments

Unseen Footage of Atari Battlezone Arcade Cabinet Production

https://arcadeblogger.com/2026/02/02/unseen-footage-of-atari-battlezone-cabinet-production/
36•videotopia•4d ago•1 comments

Show HN: Look Ma, No Linux: Shell, App Installer, Vi, Cc on ESP32-S3 / BreezyBox

https://github.com/valdanylchuk/breezydemo
213•isitcontent•12h ago•25 comments

Monty: A minimal, secure Python interpreter written in Rust for use by AI

https://github.com/pydantic/monty
206•dmpetrov•12h ago•101 comments

Show HN: I spent 4 years building a UI design tool with only the features I use

https://vecti.com
319•vecti•14h ago•141 comments

Jeffrey Snover: "Welcome to the Room"

https://www.jsnover.com/blog/2026/02/01/welcome-to-the-room/
6•kaonwarb•3d ago•1 comments

Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

https://github.com/microsoft/litebox
356•aktau•18h ago•181 comments

Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Technical Info

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/
362•ostacke•18h ago•94 comments

Hackers (1995) Animated Experience

https://hackers-1995.vercel.app/
473•todsacerdoti•20h ago•232 comments

Show HN: If you lose your memory, how to regain access to your computer?

https://eljojo.github.io/rememory/
269•eljojo•15h ago•158 comments

An Update on Heroku

https://www.heroku.com/blog/an-update-on-heroku/
400•lstoll•18h ago•271 comments

Delimited Continuations vs. Lwt for Threads

https://mirageos.org/blog/delimcc-vs-lwt
25•romes•4d ago•3 comments

Dark Alley Mathematics

https://blog.szczepan.org/blog/three-points/
82•quibono•4d ago•20 comments

PC Floppy Copy Protection: Vault Prolok

https://martypc.blogspot.com/2024/09/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-prolok.html
55•kmm•4d ago•3 comments

Vocal Guide – belt sing without killing yourself

https://jesperordrup.github.io/vocal-guide/
8•jesperordrup•2h ago•4 comments

How to effectively write quality code with AI

https://heidenstedt.org/posts/2026/how-to-effectively-write-quality-code-with-ai/
243•i5heu•15h ago•184 comments

Was Benoit Mandelbrot a hedgehog or a fox?

https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.01122
9•bikenaga•3d ago•2 comments

Introducing the Developer Knowledge API and MCP Server

https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-the-developer-knowledge-api-and-mcp-server/
51•gfortaine•10h ago•16 comments

I spent 5 years in DevOps – Solutions engineering gave me what I was missing

https://infisical.com/blog/devops-to-solutions-engineering
139•vmatsiiako•17h ago•60 comments

Understanding Neural Network, Visually

https://visualrambling.space/neural-network/
275•surprisetalk•3d ago•37 comments

I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

https://kirkville.com/i-now-assume-that-all-ads-on-apple-news-are-scams/
1053•cdrnsf•21h ago•433 comments

Show HN: R3forth, a ColorForth-inspired language with a tiny VM

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68•phreda4•11h ago•13 comments

Why I Joined OpenAI

https://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2026-02-07/why-i-joined-openai.html
128•SerCe•8h ago•112 comments

Female Asian Elephant Calf Born at the Smithsonian National Zoo

https://www.si.edu/newsdesk/releases/female-asian-elephant-calf-born-smithsonians-national-zoo-an...
28•gmays•7h ago•10 comments

Learning from context is harder than we thought

https://hy.tencent.com/research/100025?langVersion=en
173•limoce•3d ago•94 comments

FORTH? Really!?

https://rescrv.net/w/2026/02/06/associative
61•rescrv•20h ago•22 comments

Zlob.h 100% POSIX and glibc compatible globbing lib that is faste and better

https://github.com/dmtrKovalenko/zlob
17•neogoose•5h ago•9 comments
Open in hackernews

Man who threw sandwich at US border agent not guilty of assault

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypvv8n1jvo
167•onemoresoop•3mo ago

Comments

floren•3mo ago
> The jury's verdict comes after Customs and Border Patrol agent Gregory Lairmore testified that the snack "exploded all over him" and he "could smell the onions and mustard" on his uniform. [...] "I could feel it through my ballistic vest," he said of the sandwich's impact, adding that an onion string hung from his police radio and mustard stained his shirt.

God, how horrifying. Maybe with time and intensive therapy he'll eventually be able to heal.

yndoendo•3mo ago
They never took photo evidence of the scene and the only captured content was from a 3rd party showing the Subway sandwich wrapped up, lying on the street.

I would say Gregory Lairmore is a po' boy full of shit.

natebc•3mo ago
> a po' boy full of shit

Now that's a sandwich-in-the-face worthy of getting worked up about!

spl757•3mo ago
"The Perjury": 10lbs of shit on a 5lb bun tossed with onions and mustard.

edit: one too many words

pxc•3mo ago
Wow. So they even lied about the details of how the sandwich hit them.
morkalork•3mo ago
If ICE are willing to lie over a sandwich in an attempt to ruin someone's life, what else will they lie about when the stakes are higher?
zippyman55•3mo ago
He views like as a shit sandwich and the more bread he has, the less shit he needs to taste. This was embarrassing.
gamblor956•3mo ago
He must have had very sensitive skin to feel a sandwich through a ballistic vest.
tdb7893•3mo ago
People shouldn't be throwing sandwiches at people but it's wild in the US that the most minor stuff against the police and they try to charge you with a felony but police can commit pretty much any form of assault (even on camera) and often don't even lose their job unless there's a big outcry.
jahsome•3mo ago
Even with an outcry, the blue wall often protects them only until it's politically untenable.
adrr•3mo ago
Law enforcement officer committed perjury on the stand since the defense presented a picture of the sandwich after the throw and it was still wrapped up. It never exploded.
jrflowers•3mo ago
Lying under oath about a sandwich should be treated as a substantial offense. At the very least it should carry a fine hefty enough to render him a po’ boy
tehwebguy•3mo ago
Show me a cop that doesn’t belong on the Brady list and I’ll eat a ham and cheese bomb on italian bread
jojobas•3mo ago
An attack on a cop is an attack on the state. You sure have a right to revolution but you better succeed, cause state has the right to imprison you.
malfist•3mo ago
I hardly think throwing a sandwich at someone is an attempted revolution
jojobas•3mo ago
It's still an infringement against the state, not just a random man, and strictly punishment is in order. You can't allow anything getting thrown at cops on duty without repercussions.
cogman10•3mo ago
Not according to a Jury of peers. The entire reason we have trial by jury is to dull the power of the state when it acts like this ICE officer and prosecutor did.

This "attack" was about as close to non-violent protest as you can get. Taking someone to court was only done because the ICE kidnapper had his fee fees hurt.

mmooss•3mo ago
It was in court because the White House wants to demonstrate extreme aggression. I wonder how the officer felt about testifying - did they have a choice? (They are still responsible for their actions, of course.)
jojobas•3mo ago
The jury decided there was no attack, not that attacking cops is fair game.
mmooss•3mo ago
> It's still an infringement against the state, not just a random man, and strictly punishment is in order.

Why is the state so special? The USA's foundational value is individual liberty, not state authority.

jojobas•3mo ago
The state is the individuals' collective will to, among other things, put criminals in prison. You sure can campaign, protest and what not, but if you're going to interfere with said collective will you better go all out and win, or else you'll be behind bars or in the ground.
malfist•3mo ago
Tell me, on this specific night, what specific crimes were this specific state agent, prevented from arresting by having a sandwich thrown at them?

I'll do you a favor, let's broaden the search criteria. Can you provide a single example of a cop anywhere being unable to arrest a criminal because a bystander threw a sandwich at them?

jojobas•3mo ago
Illegal immigration. Whether the cops should be tolerating carrying out their duties under a sandwich shower is left as an exerciser to the reader.
mmooss•3mo ago
Again, that's backward. In the US and in free societies generally, it is the individual, not the collective will that is the priority and is supreme. Specifically, the individual is free to do as the think best regardless of the collective will - almost the definition of 'freedom' - unless they are causing significant harm to other individuals.

Each person is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and governments exist (not to exercise the collective will but) to protect those rights.

fzeroracer•3mo ago
In a functional country, the police and law enforcement are there to serve the people, not that the people are to serve them. That means holding law enforcement up to a higher standard than your average person and understanding that throwing a sandwich at them does not constitute assault or bodily harm.
jojobas•3mo ago
People don't get to choose how they are served outside elections, you can't tell the cops you don't want this or that crime to slide and expect him to go away.

Cops absolutely should be held to higher standards (I find cops transgressing being done for common assault, rather than like abuse of office, appalling).

At the same time, a cop on duty is inviolable, unless you're really sure he's transgressing (which this one was not).

dragonwriter•3mo ago
> It's still an infringement against the state

Infringement of what?

> You can't allow anything getting thrown at cops on duty without repercussions.

You absolutely can, and of the thing involved was neither intended to—nor raised reasonable fear of, nor did, nor had any meaningful likelihood to—cause injury to the officer, I can’t see any overwhelming reason you shouldn’t, either.

I suppose I could see a case for civil liability for reasonable and necessary cleaning costs directly attributable to the sandwich, but beyond that...

UncleMeat•3mo ago
The state is made of the people. When ICE tear gasses two year olds, that seems like a much more worrisome attack on the state.
AngryData•3mo ago
I mean you don't get 25% of the world's total prison population by having a fair and just law enforcement system.
p_ing•3mo ago
Police in the US as they're trained are a cancer on society as a whole. Prosecutors are afraid of prosecuting them as they are -- normal citizens. They deserve nor have any special rights under the law (there are two classes of people, civilians and military -- they're not military).

When an officer attempts to murder a civilian, they should face attempted murder charges. When an officer kills a pet, he should face a destruction of property charge.

Unfortunately this rarely happens.

Anyone should be able to exercise their human rights and resists so-called officers of the law where possible up to and including deadly force.

mmooss•3mo ago
> Police in the US as they're trained are a cancer on society as a whole.

I think you are way overstating it. It's hard to imagine society without police, and I've encountered many good, effective police.

> there are two classes of people, civilians and military -- they're not military

???!!!! Do you think people in the military have different or special rights?

p_ing•3mo ago
> It's hard to imagine society without police, and I've encountered many good, effective police.

Agreed, and that's not what we have. We have an overly aggressive, fearful, and self-protective/self-interested police force. Not one for the 'good of the people'.

> Do you think people in the military have different or special rights?

Yes, there are two classes of people in the US -- civilians and military. You're one of two, not that individuals in the military can violate civilian law, but they're beholden to their own laws (UCMJ) separate from civilians. Along with limits on their rights that they would otherwise have under the US Constitution.

mmooss•3mo ago
> there are two classes of people in the US

Where do you get that?

> they're beholden to their own laws (UCMJ) separate from civilians

People in the US military have the same obligations as everyone else to the laws of the federal, state, and local governments where they are.

Stockbrokers are subject to SEC regulations; lawyers are subject to legal rules, such as attorney-client privelege, etc. That doesn't make them separate classes of people.

p_ing•3mo ago
You should have read the rest of my comment -- whoo boy it would have cut your comment down to zero words.

UCMJ doesn't apply to any civilian. SEC rules, etc. apply to all civilians whether or not you're engaged in SEC-related activity.

dragonwriter•3mo ago
> UCMJ doesn't apply to any civilian.

False. It applies “In time of declared war or a contingency operation” to civilians “serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field”, 10 USC § 802(a)(10). This was one of several “gap-filling” changes to US federal law adopted to address problems with effectively holding contractors and others associated with the military accountable for crimes overseas in the '00s (among the others was the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000, which extended federal civilian criminal jurisdiction over certain offenses committed outside the United States that did not previously have extraterritorial application, when the offender was either a civilian accompanying the US military in certain capacities or a former military member subject to the UCMJ at the time of the act but not at the time of prosecution.)

See, related, this DoD memo (hosted at DoJ) on the subject: https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-hrsp/le...

mmooss•3mo ago
> SEC rules, etc. apply to all civilians whether or not you're engaged in SEC-related activity.

There are professional rules that do not apply to non-professionals, including SEC rules. For example, lawyers can't give advice in many situations - their free speech is curtailed. Doctors and other healthcare professionals, in some places, are excluded from the 'good Samaritan' exception to injuring someone (i.e., if you find someone injured and try to help, and accidentally cause more harm, you can't be prosecuted).

dragonwriter•3mo ago
> There are professional rules that do not apply to non-professionals, including SEC rules. For example, lawyers can't give advice in many situations

For giving legal advice, that's mostly backwards (in most US jurisdictions); its generally illegal for anyone other than a licensed lawyer to do what is legally considered giving legal advice (this is one of many things that constitutes unauthorized practice of law), whereas for a lawyer they are allowed to within certain ethical bounds.

mmooss•3mo ago
> its generally illegal for anyone other than a licensed lawyer to do what is legally considered giving legal advice

People give legal advice on HN all the time, for example; lawyers on HN have to say 'but none of this should be construed as legal advice', etc.

Non-lawyers can't charge for legal advice, but they love to give it!

dragonwriter•3mo ago
You have observed a pattern of behavior on HN, and conjectured a plausible legal framework that explains that behavior.

That's great. But, as is going to be the case probably more than 99% of the time that you try to infer the law from how people behave on HN, the rule you seemed to have inferred ("anyone except a lawyer is free to give legal advice in any situation, but lawyers are more restricted") is very much not the actual legal rule.

i suspect part of the error is that your conjecture about the rule implicitly assumed that both lawyer's and non-lawyer's behaviors reflected the same degree of knowledge of, and concern for adhering to, the applicable legal rules.

mmooss•3mo ago
Whatever your theory, non-lawyers are free to give legal, medical, etc. advice as long as they don't present themselves as qualified professionals or, in many cases, charge for it.

Professionals in the field are restricted in the advice they give.

jrflowers•3mo ago
> I think you are way overstating it

I recommend this excerpt from an excellent book (which I also recommend if you find the article interesting)

https://www.vice.com/en/article/end-of-policing-book-extract...

squigz•3mo ago
Throwing sandwiches at people is a valid act of protest in my books.
ethin•3mo ago
These people will literally claim that just bumping into them is "assault". Where do you think they're getting the "1000 percent increase" stats from? (For those who aren't aware, what the DHS is really trying to say is "well ,before all this started, there were just 10 assaults per year on ICE officers and now there's 100".)
techdmn•3mo ago
I've read / watched a few different stories now, where what happens is the police / ICE assault a protestor, then charge the protestor with assaulting the officer and resisting arrest.

You don't bump them, you attack their fists and clubs with the softer parts of your body.

pxc•3mo ago
This reads so much like The Onion, it's uncanny.
grebc•3mo ago
I commented on the prior article posted that The Onion writers don’t even need to conjure a story anymore, just report the facts.
amarant•3mo ago
It's a veritable smorgasbord of trauma!
dktalks•3mo ago
I was in a grand jury recently and a cop/attorney came to the supreme court of our state with a terroristic threat from a homeless person in a park who made a gun sign and said pow pow, and they wanted us to indict them....

By this standard most of the sports player in the nation should be indicted.

Good news we unanimously rejected it

reaperducer•3mo ago
Man who threw sandwich at US border agent not guilty of assault

…by twelve hangry men.

(Stolen from Fark)

TZubiri•3mo ago
Battery?
mmooss•3mo ago
They meant buttery.
api•3mo ago
A salt and buttery.
mickle00•3mo ago
It was all bologna
Der_Einzige•3mo ago
You May Beat the Wrap, But You Can't Beat The Sub...
mattkrause•3mo ago
You can beat the wrap but you can’t beat the rye.
lapetitejort•3mo ago
A hero strikes a zero.
throw0101a•3mo ago
While the old saying that a good DA/prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich[0][1][2][3] may still be true, conviction is another matter. Which is, in all of this, probably the coldest cut of all.

[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/indict_a_ham_sandwich

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Wachtler

[2] https://history.nycourts.gov/biography/sol-wachtler/

[3] https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/a-grand-jury-would-indict-...

k1t•3mo ago
The grand jury did not indict in this case.
dragonwriter•3mo ago
> While the old saying that a good DA/prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich may still be true, conviction is another matter.

This was filed as a misdemeanor case, because federal felonies require a grand jury indictment, and the grand jury declined to indict when the prosecutor tried to bring felony charges.

To be fair, they only tried to charge the thrower, and not the sandwich, so maybe the old saying might have held up with the right defendant here.

sys32768•3mo ago
The assault claim didn't cut the mustard, leaving a stain on the agency's reputation.
CGMthrowaway•3mo ago
A nice affirmation of jury nullification - one of the last freedoms left in this country.
mmooss•3mo ago
Was it nullification? Maybe it didn't meet the standard of guilt.

The jury determined that the launching of the 12-inch deli sandwich from what the government described as “point-blank range” was not an attempt to cause bodily injury, preventing a conviction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/politics/trump-sandwic...

dannyobrien•3mo ago
More info on jury nullification -- and how you can be prepared when asked to judge your peers: https://fija.org/

(For those outside the US: being called to serve on a jury is a surprisingly frequent event for Americans, and can be very powerful civil act, though a time-consuming and costly one).

mmooss•3mo ago
Per the NY Times, the jury deliberated for 7 hours. That seems like quite a long time for a simple case. I wonder what the hold-up was. They add,

"The jury determined that the launching of the 12-inch deli sandwich ... was not an attempt to cause bodily injury, preventing a conviction."

It seems like that couldn't have taken seven hours by itself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/politics/trump-sandwic...

wat10000•3mo ago
I’d guess there were some “law and order” types on the jury and it took a while to convince them to acquit.
giardini•3mo ago
So now anyone can throw sandwiches at ICE agents w/o fear of retribution?
wat10000•3mo ago
You can if you don’t intend to hurt them by doing so, and can convince a jury of that.
phantasmish•3mo ago
I think any time charges are over something so entirely lacking in even plausible potential (let alone actual) harm that each individual juror has suffered far, far more harm by being called to serve on the case, yeah, there's a good chance the prosecutor's going to be told by those same jurors to go fuck themselves.

This never should have been anything more than something in roughly the same legal realm as a parking ticket, for that if no other reason. Instead, probably a thousand-plus person hours and god knows how much money were wasted to use the process itself as punishment... over a thrown sandwich.

analog31•3mo ago
It could easily take 7 hours to determine, empirically and with good statistics, if a sandwich could cause bodily injury.
BobaFloutist•3mo ago
I somehow doubt the jury deliberation involved empirical testing of a sandwiches capacity to cause bodily injury, though it's fun to imagine.
tclancy•3mo ago
They apparently ate lunch in the middle. You’ll never guess what they had.
cogman10•3mo ago
They needed to do ballistics tests in deliberation.
mmooss•3mo ago
Can the jury do empirical experiments?
burnt-resistor•3mo ago
There was a lot of bread remaining but not many dangerous cold cuts, hazardous mayo, or lethal onions.
guywithahat•3mo ago
In the strict legal sense, this is assault; assault is just "offensive touching". If I spit on someone in an offensive manor (such as after yelling at them), that's classified as assault, and this has been affirmed by many courts (one such ruling by the 9th circuit court https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-9th-circuit/1424739.htm...). I'm not saying I personally agree with the legal definition, that's just how they do it in the US. Throwing a sandwich at someone in a situation like this absolutely counts as assault, I don't think there's any debate about that.

What we have is a case of jury nullification, where a jury recognized the crime and decided not to convict. This is probably fine with the prosecution though, as the real punishment was holding him in jail, getting him fired, and wasting his life savings defending this case.

mmooss•3mo ago
Interesting points.

> This is probably fine with the prosecution

It's an embarrassment, so not at all fine. I doubt anyone is deterred. I wonder if we'll see copycat 'assaults' - I'm surprised we haven't.

Scipio_Afri•3mo ago
The guy got arrested, lost his job and had to hire a lawyer. Almost got charged with a felony assault, but the jury decided that he shouldn't be charged. Instead, later charged with a misdemeanor. I'd be super stressed about all of that, plus the trial and then having to wait 7 hours to find out I'm not guilty, but also incredibly happy after. However, all that and his name is forever associated with this incident, so despite no criminal history he might find future employment more challenging. He has probably been through quite a bit despite not being found guilty of a crime. I think that any person who is somehow inspired by doing what he did because he got away with it was always willing to do it anyway. Surely any reasonable person would realize how much he already had to go through which is enough of a deterrent. It was some degree of luck as well, even with similar or same circumstances it might up that another individual is charged and found guilty.

He's fairly lucky he doesn't have a criminal record, but it didn't come without consequences. I think the fact that the sandwich was still wrapped on the ground, hit the officer's shoulder, that the other police at the time were visibly amused during the incident, and clearly joking about it for several days after as well with the officer who had it happen to him, showed that the incident wasn't serious enough to ruin anyone's life over. A formal criminal conviction in the US would've made it hard for him to get employment for some time, if not the rest of his life.

dragonwriter•3mo ago
> The guy got arrested, lost his job and had to hire a lawyer. Almost got charged with a felony assault, but the jury decided that he shouldn't be charged. Instead, later charged with a misdemeanor. I'd be super stressed about all of that, plus the trial and then having to wait 7 hours to find out I'm not guilty, but also incredibly happy after. However, all that and his name is forever associated with this incident, so despite no criminal history he might find future employment more challenging.

While it probably won't be with DoJ again (at least under this Administration), I don't think he's going to have much problem finding a job. Being associated with "this incident" I don't think is the kind of universal black mark you seem to think it is.

therealcamino•3mo ago
You are buried in the details. The guy is a hero who opposed a fascist takeover of the US government. He's not going to have any difficulty finding employment.
guywithahat•3mo ago
I will add I don’t think it’s morally fine, it’s just the system we have. They’re fine with it; if you get involved at all it can ruin your life. I can promise you this guy regrets the throw with every ounce of his soul, even if he doesn’t admit it publicly
mmooss•3mo ago
> I can promise you this guy regrets the throw with every ounce of his soul, even if he doesn’t admit it publicly

It's possible he regrets it, but I wouldn't be sure at all. It could be the proudest moment of his life. He could have PTSD. There are many possibilities.

I expect there will be some interviews soon ...

dragonwriter•3mo ago
Clearly, either the jury had some members that were not initially ready to make a decision without review of the evidence in the case, or at least the first poll of the jurors was split, probably either the latter or both.

That it was a simple question doesn’t mean that the jury was initially unanimous on the answer,

giardini•3mo ago
Did they send out for deli sandwiches?
nobody9999•3mo ago
>It seems like that couldn't have taken seven hours by itself.

Perhaps they wanted to have sandwiches for lunch (or to throw at each other[0]) while deliberating, so they took their time?

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBXFTksOxr0

tptacek•3mo ago
This is the good outcome; one note I had about this though is, per CNN:

    In one video taken from a police officer’s body-worn 
    camera, Dunn told the officer, “I was trying to draw 
    them away from where they were. I succeeded.”
Don't say things like this! He was acquitted of assault, but he admitted on camera to a violation of 18 USC 111. (How I know this is, a friend of mine who's a trustee for our suburb was just indicted for the same thing, not over a sandwich, but for slowing down an ICE employee's car).
mmooss•3mo ago
Yeah, I was surprised he said that. And he worked at the time for the Department of Justice criminal division.

It almost sounded like a post hoc rationalization, to make an outburt sound clever and intentional. Likely a stressful situtation to put yourself in.

SpicyLemonZest•3mo ago
Like all civil disobedience, it occupies an awkward middle ground. You don't necessarily want to make prosecutors' lives easier, but your protest is a lot more powerful if you make it clear to the world that you really did violate the law, because then anyone who supports you has to acknowledge that the law is unfair.
quantified•3mo ago
If a random person throws a sandwich at you, or touches your shoulder for example to say "mind the gap", it is indeed assault under the law. Whether it rises to the importance of requiring legal sanction is, however, up to the jury.
mmooss•3mo ago
> If a random person ... touches your shoulder for example to say "mind the gap", it is indeed assault under the law.

You mean, if they say that with the intent of helping you? I doubt that's assault.

xboxnolifes•3mo ago
They're talking about impeding, not about the assault. Also, tapping someone's shoulder to help them is not assault under the law.
oliwarner•3mo ago
Merely touching people is not unlawful. Intent and context are critical and your example falls well below any sort of threshold for harassment or violence.
dragonwriter•3mo ago
> He was acquitted of assault, but he admitted on camera to a violation of 18 USC 111.

In this specific case we are discussing, he actually was charged with (and acquitted of) a violation of the provision you reference 18 USC § 111, which is a misdemeanor when done by simple assault [0], after the US Attorney failed to convince a grand jury to indict for a felony violation.

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111

tptacek•3mo ago
I'm just saying, my friend and trustee has been indicted for putting his hands on a slowly moving ICE vehicle, on the premise of it impeding the driver of that vehicle (by some matter of seconds) from pulling into a parking lot, so mouthing off about pulling DHS people from one location to another seems like a bad idea. This is one of those situations where an axiomatic derivation isn't going to get you past the CourtListener indictment link I'll just post if I need to.
xnx•3mo ago
Great example of "Don't talk to cops": https://youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
mmooss•3mo ago
For comparison, would throwing a sandwich at a vendor get you fired from your job?

Not for me, but it would be a blow to my reputation and might cost a relationship with the vendor (depending on the dollar value to the vendor). And I'd be very embarrassed.

add-sub-mul-div•3mo ago
I'm embarrassed that I'm not doing as much as this man is to fight fascism. But sure, make this about sandwiches if the other subtext is too uncomfortable to face.
comrade1234•3mo ago
Who's the vendor? AWS? Azure or whatever it's called now? Google cloud? You have to be more specific.
mmooss•3mo ago
I mean a vendor's representative that you have a personal relationship with.
tclancy•3mo ago
If you’re here to kink shame, I think you should leave.
cosmicgadget•3mo ago
Okay what if it is Oracle?
stephen_g•3mo ago
Why do you ask though? That just seems a strange and irrelevant comment in the context of the post...

Or was it meant to be a reply to someone else's comment and would make more sense in that context?

mmooss•3mo ago
Why do you ask why do I ask? :) Seriously, what are you thinking?

I'm trying to shift thinking outside the emotionally charged perspective of the event.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF•3mo ago
> Why do you ask why do I ask?

I'm not the person that you're replying to but I'll give it a shot.

> I'm trying to shift thinking outside the emotionally charged perspective of the event.

The re-framing suggests there is no qualitative difference between an employee throwing a sandwich at a representative of a service provider hired by their employer and a protester throwing a sandwich at law enforcement. The differences seem obvious but I have to assume you believe there is none: if they are different, the question is not relevant. So why ask the question? Perhaps a more direct question could be why do you think the two scenarios are so comparable?

gdulli•3mo ago
The real crime is that the sandwich was probably like $16.
atmavatar•3mo ago
Where has all the prosciutto gone

And where's the kosher salt?

Where's the fine-chopped rosemary leaves

to be a flavor catapult?

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Isn't there some olive oil and sliced provolone cheese?

Slice up a large tomato

And a bell pepper that's been peeled

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I need a hero, I'm holding out for a hero to snack on at night

It's gotta be long, and it's gotta be fast, and it's gotta be freshly on-site

tclancy•3mo ago
Your 80s homage makes me think of Opus assaulting mimes with an olive loaf.
foxglacier•3mo ago
It seems like a double standard. If you approached a random member of the public that you didn't like the look of, shouted at them that you don't want them in your city and violently threw a soft object at them, you could easily be convicted of assault and receive some minor punishment. I think most people would accept that you should be. Should people have greater rights to assault policemen than other types of people? Or should assault be legal if the victim's workmates find it funny?
kevinh•3mo ago
Do you really think many people are being charged and found guilty of felony assault for throwing a sandwich at a random person? He was only charged because the guy was part of a cop-like class.
nobody9999•3mo ago
>Do you really think many people are being charged and found guilty of felony assault for throwing a sandwich at a random person? He was only charged because the guy was part of a cop-like class.

To put a finer point on it, he was charged because the current administration wants to chill protest against their undemocratic (small 'd') and unlawful activities. In fact, that was the point of deploying ICE/National Guard/etc. to cities in the first place -- to sow fear and limit freedom of expression/assembly.

foxglacier•2mo ago
No. That's not what I said.

Though there could be a terminology difference between countries - maybe in America, assault requires intent to injure? In other countries it can be any unwanted physical contact. Looks like that's called "battery" in America. So yea I probably meant battery.

tclancy•3mo ago
Yes. It’s called “being held to a higher standard”. In the past, we kinda thought we were sending out best and brightest to enforce our laws. The good news is a much larger swath of the country knows better now.
alphabettsy•3mo ago
Fair question. The jury in this case decided it wasn’t assault.

My hypothesis is that people generally feel that police face little to no accountability and so there is a more serious double standard to contend with.

mmooss•3mo ago
It's interesting theoretically: There's a factor of relative power at least in morality and common judgment, if not the law:

If a 90 year old person with a cane threw a sandwich at a 6'3" 250 pound professional athelete, everyone would check if the 90 year old was ok. Vice versa, and there would be a lot of anger and an arrest.

The state's law enforcement, with weapons, training, ballistic vests and helmets, etc. is the ultimate power. You can't do bodily injury to them, but minor contact and sandwiches are usually not taken seriously.

People ask the same question about situations where there is discrimination - is it a double-standard? They are forgetting about relative power: If someone is in a group that is threatened - e.g., an Auburn fan in a large crowd of rowdy, drunk Alabama fans (Auburn and Alabama are arch-rivals) - then an Alabama fan saying something threatening is a real threat, a real danger. If the Auburn fan says something threatening to the 100 Alabama fans around them, it doesn't represent anything; it's almost funny.

The equation is,

  Threat x Power = Danger
mmmBacon•3mo ago
Maybe the jury needed 7 hours to determine if the bread was stale enough to cause bodily harm. Perhaps the crime here is the waste of a perfectly good sandwich.
lingrush4•3mo ago
The people of DC have spoken. There's nothing wrong with throwing sandwiches at strangers in their city.
bleeperbloop•3mo ago
So is Border Patrol Officer Greg Lairmore facing any charges for lying under oath?
bleeperbloop•3mo ago
So is Border Patrol Officer Greg Lairmore facing charges for lying under oath?