Just look at Elon’s insane pay package, approved in a landslide. The skulls of the average shareholder must echo like a cave.
And the rich accuse the poor of their poverty being their own fault, because they are just being irresponsible, making bad decisions, and spending unwisely. They should look in the mirror.
Given you calling these people stupid, I'd be shocked if you out-earned them over the past 15 years[1]. And if your counter-argument will be "that's a bad yardstick" then what yardstick shall we use? I own no TSLA stock, nor do I particularly like Musk, but this weird irrational hatred just doesn't seem to contribute anything other than reiterating the (oh so boring) liberal "Musk bad" zeitgeist talking points.
[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/roe
At least, these were previously American values to hate these people.
This isn’t a liberal/conservative thing.
This is a class conflict thing.
The rich are stupid, just like everyone else. That in itself goes against the narrative that has been woven in our corporate mass media, the accepted narrative that makes it seem as though the rich are meritous and deserve to hoard wealth.
This lie told to all of us, among other lies, protects the rich from having their ill-gotten gains seized by the working people. It’s worth reminding everyone that the riches of the few depend entirely on the labor of the many. They need us more than we need them. Their illusion of the legality of their private ownership of excessive wealth depends on physical protection provided by the working class. If every OpenAI employee quit, if every Sam Altman bodyguard and doorman quit, if every police officer refused to protect the wealthy, these people would be financially worthless. And it really is as simple as that, it wouldn’t even be that hard to shatter the illusion.
To bring this back to being relevant to the article, this illusion is why CEOs will never be held accountable for their actions. Shareholders are part of the pyramid scheme feeding everyone on the very top. Failures of the visionary founder CEO are like failures of Kim Jong Un: certainly not their fault! Your undying support as a shareholder is required to right the ship. Your lack of faith is what caused the failure in the first place.
Of course I haven’t out-earned them, I don’t have an army of accountants and lawyers working due me to dodge taxes and avoid complying with laws, access to private equity investment, insider trading knowledge, and all of my income is W2, so my tax rate is about 4x higher than any billionaire.
He's a literal Nazi who gave the sieg heil salute on national television.
It's not irrational for people to think he's a bad person.
The Optimus narrative is so obviously a fraud. The things can "dance" and play chess, but they cannot operate in dirt, scrub the kitchen, etc. Even if they succeed, BYD will build a $7000 Optimus. Intimidation of crowds and barking orders at humans (for example for the human to clean the kitchen floor) seem the only somewhat realistic goals.
You should view your contributions as a donation. What donation has a ROI?
It’s why Musk is also safe from similar problems.
That is, it doesn't matter so much if OpenAI and individual investors get fleeced, if there's a 20-50% labour cost reduction generally for capitalism as a whole (especially cost reduction in our own tech professions, which have been very well paid for a generation) -- Institutional investors and political actors will benefit regardless, by increasing the productivity or rate of exploitation of intellectual / information workers.
There are also a finite number of opportunities to invest in, so companies that have “buzz” can create a bidding war among potential investors that drives up valuations.
So that’s one possible reason but in the end we can’t know why another investor invests the way they do. We assume that the investor in making a rational decision based on their portfolio. It’s fun to speculate about though, which is why there’s so much press attention.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pension_scheme...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_wealth_funds...
What happens to the ones that built for projects that end up failing? Seems to me the only way the story ends is with taxpayers on the hook once again.
Power generation, power grids are more generally useful today and less speculative than trying to win the AI race, so the risk for those types of things is somewhat lower, but there IS risk even in those.
What Would an AI Crash Look Like? - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-10-12/what-h...
> Experts note chief dealmaker Altman doesn’t have anything to lose. He has repeatedly claimed he does not have a stake in the company, and won’t have a stake even after OpenAI has restructured to become a public benefit corporation. “He has the upside, in a sense, in terms of influence, if it all succeeds,” said Ofer Eldar, a corporate governance professor at the UC Berkeley School of Law. “He's taking all this commitment knowing that he's not going to actually face any consequences because he doesn't have a financial stake.”
> That’s not good corporate governance, according to Jo-Ellen Pozner, a professor of management and entrepreneurship at Santa Clara University’s Leavey School of Business. “We allow leaders that we see as being super pioneering to behave idiosyncratically, and when things move in the opposite direction and somebody has to pay, it's unclear that they're the ones that are going to have to pay,” she said.
> Luria adds: “He can commit to as much as he wants. He can commit to a trillion dollars, ten trillion, a hundred trillion dollars. It doesn't matter. Either he uses it, he renegotiates it, or he walks away.” There are of course more indirect stakes for Altman, experts said, like the reputational blow he’d take if the deals fall apart. But on paper, he’d seemingly be off the hook, they said.
Is an intended takehome message of the article that Altman should invest his own money (with potential loss, or profit), or that he should be given a big compensation deal (maybe like the one Musk just got)?
Now you have a company where the leader at least notionally doesn't have that kind of a financial stake... and we think that's bad? I disagree with Altman on almost everything, but it feels like grasping at straws.
Taking that at face value, it means we would have to invest exponential resources just to get linear improvements. That’s not exactly an optimistic outlook.
Also, the LLM space is a red queen environment. Stop investing and you are done.
All that said. IMHO Short to medium term breakthrouhgs will come from hybrid AI systems, the LLM being the universal putty between all users and systems.
That assertion is unsupported and unproven.
Also, if a commercial use for LLMs is ever found, it will be in the local, personal computing market, not the "cloud".
Not necessarily. Approaches such as mixture of experts help lower training costs by covering domains with specialized models.
OpenAI as an entity is only in trouble if they've bound themselves completely without any way out.
These "commitments" may just function as memorandums of understanding.
I remember the days when Facebook and Google and other familiar giants were painted with the same brush-- all negative speculation as to them being overvalued and on the cliff's edge of doom, because no one could imagine how they'd survive their obscene overvaluations. How and when will they monetize? How will they ever bring in enough revenue to justify the insane capital spending?
Rule no of scam flavored hype: make up impressive sounding units that are opaque and meaningless
He doesn't even have a financial interest in the company, apparently. Obviously, the people who will lose their investments if everything goes south is… the investors. As it's supposed to be.
The implied premise of this headline, that somehow there's something wrong with the fact that a CEO won't be personally financially responsible for potential future losses, is truly bizarre.
Useful? Yep - it’s like the best autocomplete you could ever imagine. Paradigm-changing even, as we now have a big chunk of human knowledge in a much more easily searchable format. It’s just not intelligent.
I have to imagine that just like a magic trick, eventually someone will come up with a way to clearly communicate to the layperson how the trick is done. At that point, the illusion collapses.
web3-is-a-scam•1h ago
She said the quiet part out loud? This was always the play, it is obvious. Too big to fail. National security concerns. China/Russia veer scary. Blah blah blah.
Altman’s libertarian pontification is so obviously insincere it’s laughable.
Polizeiposaune•1h ago
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/06/trump-ai-sacks-federal-bailo...
web3-is-a-scam•1h ago
sabatonfan•17m ago
I just have money in usdc and I might like monero for privacy sometimes but I guess I am just using it as a bank account right now with usdc
I would personally like it if visa/stripe etc. middleman's could be cut preferably, its honestly insane how we still can't figure that issue of middleman taking cuts etc.
Maybe the issue isn't technological but regulatory
But overall I agree that crypto/ especially the web3 mostly is a scam.
bgwalter•35m ago
Sacks was one of the most prominent whiners on X asking for the bail out the Silicon Valley Bank. He is lying, just as the all-in podcast was lying before Trump's election and then dropped the masks.
coliveira•1h ago