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iPhone Pocket

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/11/introducing-iphone-pocket-a-beautiful-way-to-wear-and-carry-iphone/
165•soheilpro•6h ago

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gsibble•3h ago
How about no.
gsibble•3h ago
One of the most innovative companies in the world......supposedly.....and they come out with this.
cko•3h ago
"Users can create their own personalized color combinations with iPhone Pocket and iPhone."

You don't think that's innovative?

blitzar•3h ago
Might just have my mum knit me a custom one.

True story: when I got the iPhone 5 the first case i used was a home made fabric slip. Fashion really does come and go in cycles.

Loughla•3h ago
>3d knitted construction

This genuinely has to be a gag.

drcongo•3h ago
> Inspired by the concept of “a piece of cloth”.
dzuc•3h ago
no, it's a whole garment knitting technique
jebarker•3h ago
It certainly has that dual use.
dylan604•1h ago
I don't want to kink shame anyone, but I'd be concerned about getting all of that fuzzy caught in someone's throat. Unless I missed the version made of silk.
LeifCarrotson•3h ago
This does look like a gag to me too, but 3D knitting technology is interesting. I have a pair of carbon-plate marathon race shoes made with 3D knitting. They're very light and very comfortable, with stretch in some axes and stiffness in others as needed, no seams but form-fit around my foot in compound curves.

Instead of making the thing out of 2D pieces of fabric, even stretchy knit fabric, and sewing those planar shapes together into something 3D, they made this as one continuous knit object that adds and drops stitches to give it shape without seams. The machines and programs that manipulate the yarn and partial garments, tying knots at crazy speeds to create something 3-dimensional out of something 1-dimensional, are just astonishing. Equally astonishing is the fact that with two sticks and their hands, it's not that challenging for a human knitter to do the same. I think that "knit a sock" is one of the most challenging tasks to give a humanoid robot.

jsheard•1h ago
They bought a bunch of 3D knitting machines to make Vision Pro headstraps, and since that isn't selling I guess they're using the excess capacity to make iPhone socks.

You can briefly see them in this ad: https://x.com/tim_cook/status/1748337010191077462

jitl•17m ago
no https://us.isseymiyake.com/collections/pleatsplease
_aavaa_•3h ago
250$ for a sock…
rjdj377dhabsn•3h ago
The pricing is insane. I could see $30-50 for premium materials and design.
GaryNumanVevo•50m ago
Yes, it's designer sock with a famous fashion designer's name on it.
gregoriol•3h ago
Looks like the swimsuit from Borat
Y_Y•1h ago
Absolutely. They missed a great opportunity to call it the Apple CockSock.
jawns•3h ago
> iPhone Pocket in the short strap design retails at $149.95 (U.S.), and the long strap design at $229.95 (U.S.).
xg15•3h ago
Do they also sell Replacement Wool for $10/inch?
bogwog•3h ago
Only if you're an Apple authorized service provider.
baggachipz•3h ago
My Nana doesn't charge nearly enough for her crocheting.
tonyarkles•3h ago
Honestly… was having a conversation with my aunt about this last week. Knitting, crocheting, and quilting are all high-skill activities and no one charges enough for it.
threeducks•2h ago
Prices fall when supply exceeds demand.
WorldMaker•20m ago
Labor is easiest to underpay when passion/fun gets involved.
dylan604•1h ago
The vast majority of people making handcrafted do not charge enough for their items. If they did, nobody could afford them. Most items are priced based on the cost of the material with little consideration to the time to make them. I have a friend that is a very skilled knitter, but for large items like blankets and sweaters, there are weeks of effort involved. When broken down, "kids in Chinese factories" make more per hour.

The great thing is that this type of person will tell you they are not in it for the money. As long as they can "buy more string" with the proceeds (or whatever their materials are), they are quite happy.

wredcoll•1h ago
This is a prime example of the fact that ultimately prices are set by what people will pay, the cost of the item is functionally irrelevant.

see also: half of apple's product

philipwhiuk•14m ago
> Most items are priced based on the cost of the material [...]

If that, in my experience.

"I've got some wool going spare" is a common anecdote.

RataNova•1h ago
Nana's been lowkey running a luxury accessories brand this whole time
nashashmi•1h ago
Fashion statement. Plus it is a Limited edition release. Plus it is weird. Plus it is apple. Price seems right.
freefaler•3h ago
> iPhone Pocket in the short strap design retails at $149.95 (U.S.), and the long strap design at $229.95 (U.S.).

Really? Lot's of value there...

Like a new OnePlus Nord N30 5G is around $250, and Samsung Galaxy A16 approximately at $200. And Samsung Galaxy A14 5G is between $120 to $160.

peterspath•3h ago
Reminds me of the iPod Socks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Socks
philipallstar•3h ago
That was actually quite a nice product, though. And 6 for $29 was pretty good.
MYEUHD•1h ago
Note that it's $49 when adjusted for inflation
polycaster•3h ago
> The socks were jokingly presented by Apple CEO Steve Jobs as a "revolutionary new product"
gregoriol•3h ago
I still use an iPod Sock with my current iPhone
philipwhiuk•12m ago
People were home knitting them anyway at the time. Some still do.
h3x4d3c1m4l•3h ago
Apple doing Balenciaga shit
kjrrp•3h ago
That was my first though. After "wait, it's not April 1st yet".
ahoka•3h ago
Balenciaga would be an oversized black latex condom.
GaryNumanVevo•50m ago
They literally sell a $400 Hermes apple watch band
hlpn•3h ago
> Inspired by the concept of “a piece of cloth”

Ugh

silversmith•3h ago
Wait, it really does say that in the article. Wow.
wredcoll•1h ago
Thats the point where I started double checking for april fools
biophysboy•1h ago
Its just a stiff translation of a marketing term. If you look up 一枚の布, you'll see a bunch of Miyake's clothes, where the whole gimmick is that they have no seams. A better translation probably would have been "inspired by the concept of seamless design"
bobbiechen•11m ago
That makes much more sense, even "a seamless piece of cloth" would have been much less ridiculous.
villgax•3h ago
Reminded me of the IKEA floor mat knit lol
Aaron2222•3h ago
So iPod Socks[0], but with a strap?

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Socks

justmarc•3h ago
LOL. Sorry. really. LOL.
whizzter•3h ago
Drug dealers are going to be as upset at their style being stolen by hipsters as sailors were when hipsters decided that tattoo's were cool.
Insanity•3h ago
If only they spent these resources on bringing “slide over” back to iPad in its original form.. :(

This looks kinda lame. I already have a pocket for my phone, it’s my.. pocket. Or I can throw it in any other pouch if I don’t have pockets.

xg15•3h ago
> I already have a pocket for my phone, it’s my.. pocket.

As Steve Jobs intended.

(Like, really. I think the original "one more thing" presentation was also so powerful became he could just casually pull some next-gen tech out of his pocket)

tensility•3h ago
More accurate to call it the iPhone Purse.
tensility•3h ago
Meanwhile, can I have multi-message selection back in (iPad) Mail? Whoever decided to axe that feature apparently has a spam-free inbox.

This company has become such a joke. Maybe Apple should start being concerned about building computers that Just Work well again rather than continuing to flounder after Cook's obsession with bad fashion.

I suppose the underlying message here is that, if you can no longer innovate, shill overpriced purses instead.

blokey•1h ago
I may be missing what you’re after for ipad mail but isnt it under the “...” then “select” to select multiple messages?
alfanick•3h ago
EAZZY MISTAKE /s
philipallstar•3h ago
> Inspired by the concept of “a piece of cloth,”

Is this satire?

diego_moita•3h ago
I respect Apple.

It takes a lot of skill, talent and dedication to pull out a massive rip-off bullshit like this and have millions of fools buying it.

paleotrope•3h ago
Do your iphones hang low Can you swing them to and fro...
DonHopkins•3h ago
Best storage design out of Apple since the iRack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcjLEwZqcQI

I wonder if it fits an iBrator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9Ef_KQTTI

xg15•3h ago
On the bright side, it looks as if you could also use it as a decent slingshot.
c0wb0yc0d3r•3h ago
Could this be some sort of joint venture? In other words, is Apple being paid to promote this in some way?

I realize this is a “limited edition” item but it seems to me as being way off brand.

y0eswddl•2h ago
The answer to your question is in the article :)
gnarlouse•1h ago
It feels like a relic from the iPod Nano era
jitl•16m ago
apple x designer fashion has been around a while https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-hermes/
Retr0id•3h ago
iPhones are hefty these days, so it could double as a weapon.
voidUpdate•3h ago
I had to check the address a few times to make sure this isn't a satire page, and I'm still not convinced it isn't
plasticchris•3h ago
Wait it’s not April?
dylan604•1h ago
You're not familiar with the internationally recognized Day of the Joker every 11/11?
cnees•3h ago
I'm still waiting for them to collaborate with Levi's to bring iPhone sized pockets to women's jeans.
RataNova•1h ago
Honestly, that would be the most genuinely useful Apple fashion collab yet
dcrazy•52m ago
And like this product, it has a Steve Jobs tie-in. His on-stage uniform was Issey Mikaye turtlenecks and Levi’s 501s.
MarioMan•55m ago
Or maybe iPad-sized pockets: https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/igotabigasspocket-ipad-jeans-1...
tw04•3h ago
I legit had to do a double take and ensure this wasn’t an old April fool’s post. The concept… odd but whatever. The price…
seaparter•3h ago
Is it April already!?
MandieD•3h ago
Hey, any of y'all want one in hand-spun, natural-colored wool (as in, as it was shorn from the sheep) yarn?
buggeryorkshire•3h ago
This is actually Apple doing this? What is going on there?
tensility•3h ago
Doubles as the sock outfit for the next Red Hot Chili Peppers tour.
oidar•2h ago
This is the best idea since having a charging port on the bottom of a mouse. Finally, a product we can source from the US completely.
moribvndvs•2h ago
I was out with my young coworkers and was absolutely baffled to see a bunch of them with slings for their phones. That was the only time I’d heard of such a thing until now. I kinda thought I’d drunkenly hallucinated it.
throwforfeds•2h ago
I was just talking to my wife about this, literally 5 minutes ago. I just moved from the 13 mini to the Air and am hating that it doesn't comfortably fit in my jeans, to the point where I might go return it today. My young cousin was wearing her iPhone on a cross body sling, and I was commenting that we've gotten to the point where the phones are so big that you need bags or extra things to carry it comfortably.
giraffe_lady•1h ago
To a contemporary person their smartphone is probably the single most functionally important object they carry with them. People have always modified their clothes around common items, and then those modifications become subject to fashion trends and then eventually tradition themselves. Think like briefcases and wallets, but also japanese inro, european snuffboxes, decorative scabbards, etc.

This is more like an ancient and near universal practice being applied to a modern tool, rather than a totally new thing in itself.

throwforfeds•10m ago
For sure, I had that thought as well, that clothing is evolving alongside the things people are needing to carry.

But, for me, it does seem like we're going in a functionally poorer direction. Just a few years ago I could have a computer I could fit in my pocket. I can't buy that anymore. The fact that people are selling modifications to these devices (cross body slings, cases with those weird pop up things on the back so you can hold it one handed) to me means we've missed the mark on design. For more than a decade we had a great one handed computer that'd disappear into my pocket. No longer.

stetrain•1h ago
For the demographics whose mainstream clothing includes no or very small pockets, this has been true for many years.
throwforfeds•9m ago
Absolutely, and the lack of decent pockets on women's clothing is probably a large reason I can no longer buy a computer I can fit in my jeans.
AEVL•2h ago
Just some trivia (and an aside):

The collaboration is with Issey Miyake. Steve Jobs black turtlenecks was Issey Miyakes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferhicks/2022/08/10/heres-...

(As an aside, I swear by pants from the Issey Miyake Homme Plissé collection. Since investing in some pairs about 10 years ago, I have hardly worn anything else—no other pants match their comfort. The iPhone Pocket is of course ridiculous anyway.)

nathan_compton•1h ago
The pants cost around 500 bucks? I don't necessarily believe that a priori spending $500 on a pair of pants is irrational, but I really struggle to imagine any pair of pants being worth that much money unless they are lined with gold or something.

I usually buy cheap clothes and mend them and ten years for a pair of pants isn't unusual for me. I probably haven't spent $500 dollars on clothes in a year ever in my entire life (except maybe the year I bought a suit for getting married).

I guess I'm just genuinely curious how you found yourself in the position of even contemplating $500 for pants.

baggachipz•1h ago
I believe the word for it is "rich".
iamacyborg•1h ago
Pro-tip. You can buy them used for a significant discount to rrp.
flyinglizard•1h ago
Don't rule out until you've tried it. High end clothing (not just brand name, but real advanced stuff) is pretty amazing in how it makes you feel. I'm inclined to spend on anything I interact with, and clothes is pretty big interaction.
Cthulhu_•1h ago
Sure, but you need to have a certain level of wealth before even considering it. $500 is a ridiculous sum for a pair of trousers. I've had €80 or €120 Levi's at one point when I had a bit more expendable income but they only lasted me two years. I'm back on affordable jeans now (when outside, when inside it's pajama pants all the way lmao), I think they're €30 or so.

I'm sure the branded ones are "better" but is it to scale with the price? Are Levi's 4x as good as cheap ones? Are these Steve Jobs ones 16x as good?

cael450•1h ago
Yeah, that is wild. I can't imagine spending that kind of money on pants.
ricochet11•1h ago
I once paid $1000 for some sneakers. I’m still regularly wearing them 7 years later. I’ve bought $50/$100 and they never last that long. It was an insane purchase at the time, done in a moment of jet lagged madness when my shoes fell apart in an airport. But over time it’s turned out to be a great investment. Smart, comfortable, well made.
lopis•1h ago
Which? I struggle to find any sneakers that last more than a couple years, while also avoiding the big brands.
jonathanlb•1h ago
As someone who is on the lookout for long-lasting durable products, what brand and model sneakers did you buy? How often do you wear these?

I've heard that Common Projects are pretty good at a $400 retail price point, but it sounds like you got something else.

alejo•30m ago
I got a pair of Santoni’s leahther sneakers in 2017, for about $500. I still have them and while they worn out a bit, they are still nice.

The most comfortable shoes I’ve ever owned. I remember describing them like “walking in clouds”.

Never bought any of them and all the other pairs I got from different brands in the $200-$400 bracket have been awfully disappointing

socalgal2•1h ago
I'm happy to pay $$$$ for something that lasts but my exerience is some of the most expensive things I've bought, well known luxury brand names, had the lowest quality.
rpdillon•41m ago
In my younger years, I really did believe that cost correlated with longevity, but as I've gotten older, I'm finding that most of the very affordable things I've purchased, including shoes and pants and jackets, have lasted 15+ years. So I no longer believe that paying a thousand dollars for an item of clothing is going to yield a material benefit in terms of longevity -- I think some of it is just marketing, but there are also other elements of comfort and fit. I'm just not very discerning.
nathan_compton•1h ago
Do you wear them like $50 shoes or like $1000 dollar shoes? I run around 18 miles a week on trails and I doubt your $1000 dollar sneakers would last ten years with that usage pattern.
trenchpilgrim•19m ago
I do have a pair of $250 leather riding boots that have lasted me many years so far and I'm pretty sure will last that long, but they also require cleaning and polishing a few times a year....
NickC25•17m ago
I'm sure that if you got super high quality durable running shoes, and only used them for running, you'd get some good milage out of them before the shoes either wore out or wore through.

I play tennis regularly and only go through a pair of shoes maybe once a year or every 18 months. I always pay extra for a higher quality and more durable pair because they last. I only use the shoes for tennis - I put them on when I enter the court and take them off when I end my session. The shoes probably run me $180-200 but totally worth it if they can last me 100+ hours.

nluken•54m ago
Different strokes for different folks. I'm a fashion lover but a fan of cheap cars, and I could equally say something similar about people who drive new luxury cars when there's plenty of reliable functionality to be had under $10k. There's a lot of craftsmanship that goes into nice clothes, and you can get way more expensive than $500. And fashion is a form of art in a way. What makes a painting worth thousands of dollars?
reaperducer•35m ago
I don't necessarily believe that a priori spending $500 on a pair of pants is irrational, but I really struggle to imagine any pair of pants being worth that much money

Maybe he's amortizing them.

He says they've lasted ten years, so that's $50/year.

If they last another ten, that's $25/year.

Oh, great. Now I've invented Pants-as-a-Service.

kulahan•24m ago
$500 for something you might wear for a decade straight? A brand-new pair of Levis at JC Penny is gonna run you like $90 anyways. It's not that much more expensive.

But also, quality has diminishing returns in basically every category. At the low end, it's extremely efficient to improve the quality of your product and charge a bit more. At the high end, you can't make any more inexpensive moves to set yourself apart, so you use higher end materials, fabrication methods, and workers.

embedding-shape•14m ago
> $500 for something [...] run you like $90 anyways. It's not that much more expensive.

To be honest, I did abandoned school as quickly as I could and my math skills aren't that of my peers, but 5x times as much is pretty "much more expensive" for most people out there, not sure how someone can say else with a straight face. $100 vs $500 would easily be a "Can I eat properly the entire month?" decision for a lot of the population.

Brendinooo•10m ago
> A brand-new pair of Levis at JC Penny is gonna run you like $90 anyways

I'm seeing a range of around $33 to $60 at the moment, with other brands dipping under $30.

https://www.jcpenney.com/g/men/jeans?id=cat100250010

iamacyborg•1h ago
Big fan of the Homme Plisse stuff but I do wish it wasn’t polyester.

It is a nice way to wear essentially a fancy pair of joggers while people assume you’re being somewhat smart though.

thevillagechief•1h ago
I got excited until I saw they cost $600? Once in a while I'm reminded we exist in very different universes. Still trying to justify splurging on common projects 2 years later.
booleanbetrayal•1h ago
I am wondering what you call consumption that feeds $499 designer margins on polyester like that, while so many people can barely afford to scrape by day to day.
tacker2000•1h ago
Sorry but 500 eur for polyester pants? Not even cotton?
sunnyps•36m ago
Have you tried Costco pants? They're pretty good.
jbverschoor•2h ago
It’s an iPhone Socket!
fxtentacle•2h ago
Awww... I was so much hoping for an iPhone that will fit into my pocket. The 1st iPhone SE was the perfect form factor. But no, Apple's phones just had to grow and grow and grow like cancer ...

In my opinion, the fact that Apple is now selling a bag to carry your oversized phone around in, is an admission that they failed to make phones that are convenient to carry.

ngruhn•1h ago
I share the frustration. But apparently small phones don't sell.
fxtentacle•1h ago
opens cupboard

iPhone 3GS

Galaxy S3

Sony XZ1 Compact

iPhone SE 2016

iPhone SE 2020

iPhone SE 2022

Unihertz Atom

eddieroger•1h ago
There's one data point. I would bet, though, that Apple, Sony and Samsung have plenty more data points of devices that didn't move and thus they stop making smaller devices.
Cthulhu_•1h ago
Yup, keep in mind the generally Western audience on HN is only a small minority of the total market, which is... hundreds of millions of people for the iphone alone.
baal80spam•1h ago
This is the correct answer. I don't think anyone believes that Apple doesn't manufacture smaller phones out of spite? They are just not popular enough.
fxtentacle•1h ago
That must be why all those vacuum robots and smart TVs phone home to China. Because people really love appliances that spy on them. Good thing Samsung patched their fridges to add advertisements and spyware, because that's what their customers (in the US) were really waiting for.
dingaling•12m ago
"They are just not popular enough."

The various Mini models accounted for 3 to 6% of sales, which was still millions of units.

VagabundoP•1h ago
Pixel 5 is a nice size. I like smallies too.
craftkiller•1h ago
Pixel 1 was the ideal phone. Not too large. Completely flat back. Screen didn't bulge above the sides so you could drop it without shattering the screen. Google's design has only gone downhill since then. (The pixel 5 looks pretty nice, but it seems to have the bulging glass and the beginnings of camera bumps)
pmontra•27m ago
The Unihertz Atom is probably too small but it really fits the niche its web site targets. I might consider it for my bike.
stockresearcher•1h ago
Apple sold 10-15 million of the minis each year, with a marketing budget of approximately zero.

The problem is that everyone believed Tim Cook when he claimed that this is a failure.

nozzlegear•1h ago
How much did it cost Apple to make those minis? Do we know?
stockresearcher•1h ago
I surely don’t. But if it wasn’t profitable, then Apple sucks at supply chain management (which is something I don’t believe).
criddell•1h ago
> small phones don't sell

It's all relative.

If Google sold five million iPhones Mini it would be considered a smash hit. But because it's Apple it's considered a flop because of the ridiculous sales numbers of their other models.

rekoil•1h ago
I wish the iPhone 12/13 mini had been a few mm thicker for a bigger battery, and had been in the Pro class of devices. As it stands they didn't have a good enough battery to last a day, and most people interested in smaller devices had probably just picked up the new SE that was released just half a year earlier.
fxtentacle•1h ago
I believe the issue is that with Jobs gone, Apple's design team is now apparently unable to continue their job. Instead of developing their own UI paradigm for small screens, they keep copying from Google Pixel both the UI ideas and the screen size. And now that they ran out of useful ideas, they turned everything transparent. Why make the iPhone look more like Apple Vision when people so obviously hate the latter? [1]

My prediction is that the age of AI and LLM assistance will make tiny devices the norm. Like those AI pins. Like Siri inside AirPods. Like Meta's AR glasses. But it seems that Apple is losing the race here. They lost their edge when it comes to developing new user interface paradigms.

EDIT: [1] Bloomberg claims 10-15% return rate, which would be massive: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-02-18/apple-... (for comparison, Galaxus reports 2% as normal for Smartphones and <5% for Meta's Quest)

bottlepalm•1h ago
The most important thing Jobs did (and he mentioned this) is to say No to great ideas. Like this, like iPhone Air, like Apple Vision Pro, etc.. Apple without Jobs is now much like it was before Jobs in the 90s, only this time it has a lot more momentum than it had before. Still though Apple is back to throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Lu2025•29m ago
> Why make the iPhone look more like Apple Vision when people so obviously hate the latter

They are normalizing Apple Vision look so it looks less weird when you switch.

NickC25•23m ago
>Apple's design team is now apparently unable to continue their job

Honestly id say this is a mix of both Jobs and Ive being gone.

Now under the operational maximalist that is Tim Cook, they just revert to old designs every few years and call it revolutionary. See: edges on the iPhone. First, rounded edges. WOW, revolutionary! Then a few years later, hard edges. WOW, revolutionary! Then a few years later, rounded edges. WOW, revolutionary! Then a few years later, hard edges. WOW, revolutionary!

All the while stripping actual functionality out of the devices and removing useful features like headphone jacks. There hasn't been real product innovation at Apple in over a decade.

But I digress.

JKCalhoun•1h ago
In Soviet Russia, pocket fit phone.
echelon•1h ago
> speaks to the bond between iPhone and its user

With this phrasing, does it feel like iPhone owns its user?

flanbiscuit•1h ago
I was also hoping it was a small phone announcement but it not being part of a keynote didn't give me high hopes.

I've been on Android since day 1 but I'm thinking about switching to iPhone. If they ever made foldable (clamshell style, not book style) phone I would buy it immediately. I just want a small phone.

Yes I could get an Android foldable that already exists but I like to stick with Pixels and they don't have one yet and I'm kinda of done with Pixels. They are crap quality.

crazygringo•1h ago
> they failed to make phones that are convenient to carry.

I loved the iPhone SE and small phones generally, but at the same time I realize Apple's not failing at anything. They're giving the market the size people actually want. The smaller phones don't sell nearly as well. Most people prefer a bigger phone even if carrying it is less convenient.

I've just accepted my phone will be bulky now, so I double down and attach a magnetic wallet to it, and carry it in my hand or jacket pocket or bag rather than my pants pocket like I used to. During meetings it lies on the table rather then in my pants pocket. C'est la vie.

fxtentacle•1h ago
"iPhone 16e Sales Lag Behind SE Models"

Ooops ?

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/03/iphone-16e-sales-lag-be...

Looks like the market did like the SE size.

masklinn•1h ago
> Unsurprisingly, the primary reason identified for the iPhone 16e 's weaker debut is its higher launch price.

Adjusting for inflation, the SE (€479 in 2020) was €588 and the SE2 (€519 in 2022) was €567. The 16e is 699, a 25% increase.

fxtentacle•1h ago
And in Germany, the iPhone 16e 128GB in white currently sells for €537 at "Netto Marken-Discount", a supermarket chain famous for its low price. "Marken-Discount" = "brand name rebates"
masklinn•1h ago
That is utterly worthless without knowing what the SE and SE2 were sold for in the same context. The 16e's MSRP in germany is 699.
i_am_jl•1h ago
Small phones (to an extent) are less expensive than larger phones to manufacture.

The thought that "Small phones are only more popular because they're less expensive" seems to willfully ignore that the phones are less expensive because their inputs are less expensive, because they're smaller.

frereubu•9m ago
I wonder about the idea that they're less expensive. True in terms of materials, but possibly not true if the smaller production run means you can't offset the capital costs of manufacturing the parts.
mattgreenrocks•1h ago
IMO the e series is/could be used as an anchor to ratchet other phones higher in price.
gruez•1h ago
>Looks like the market did like the SE size.

That's not a compelling argument when the same chart also shows the iPhone SE 2022 lagging behind iPhone SE 2020, even though they have identical form factors.

fxtentacle•1h ago
Good point. Thx.
nehal3m•1h ago
Sure, but between the SE2020 and the SE2022 was the iPhone 12 line-up which included the 12 Mini
Retric•1h ago
While small iPhones don’t sell nearly as well as larger sizes, I suspect they are still a very profitable product as Apple keeps releasing them.
crazygringo•1h ago
Not small like they used to be. Not like the original SE, nowhere even close. The options now are basically big, bigger and biggest.
mrweasel•34m ago
The iPhone sales figures where probably a disappointment, for Apple. Had it been released by any other company it would have been viewed as a huge success. The sales numbers are just pretty poor, for an iPhone.

I think Apple has such high expectation to sales figures that even if a smaller iPhone comes in, even as the 10th best selling phone, that's maybe only 5% of all iPhone sales. Massively successful as a phone, millions of people bought it, but to Apple, the SE is a side hustle at best.

My daughters friends made fun of my iPhone SE3, they had never seen a phone that small.

mattgreenrocks•1h ago
What “the market wants” is a maximally addictive device. It’s a really low bar even if highly profitable. Bigger screens make it more exciting and addictive.

Just profoundly weird to me that small manufacturers can’t make small phones because they’re small and can’t pay for it, and large manufacturers can’t make it because…(checks notes)…they’re large and don’t want to pay for it even if there’s demand.

MichaelZuo•1h ago
Can you write down the actual detailed argument?

Just opining that it’s weird can’t possibly be convincing against a consensus amongst all the large smartphone manufacturers.

cantor_S_drug•1h ago
Can Apple lock-in those people who definitely want small phones by some prepaid arrangements which the users can't back out? That would be market working. Is there a reason why they don't do this?
crazygringo•1h ago
That's a weird take. Large screens aren't primarily more "addictive", they're primarily more productive. They work as a better e-reader, a better text editor, better for watching a movie on a plane, better for reading maps, I could go on and on. (And if a company were incentivized to truly make an "addicting" phone, it would be Meta that would benefit from the social media ads, or TikTok. Not Apple.)

Large manufacturers can make them. But there isn't enough demand to make them profitable enough. It's not a question of whether they "want to pay for it", it's just simple economics. They're businesses, not charities. I like small phones, but I understand manufacturers are doing what's economically rational given market preferences and I don't blame them for it.

jermaustin1•1h ago
> they're primarily more productive.

But why are we needing a phone to be productive? And they were already a distraction from the world around us when they fit in a single hand.

I know I'm probably abnormal, but my phone is a phone first, camera second, and "work" device fifth.

As a society, our boundaries around communication and instant contact to anyone have collapsed. Now if you don't respond to a message within a few minutes, you get multiple follow ups. If you don't pick up the phone when a friend calls you, they don't leave a message, they text, then call again, then text again.

We've gone from being able to leave the house, and no one can contact us for a few hours, to no matter where we are people are trying to contact us. So they may be more "productive" with larger screens, but we never asked whether they SHOULD be more productive.

lotsofpulp•1h ago
Why do you need phones to not be productive?

Being able to instantly communicate via photo and video makes a lot of people’s lives easier. For example, getting quotes for a house repair to save on travel time and energy getting estimates, showing before and after pictures to document performed work, and myriad more examples.

If someone is contacting you too much, that’s a problem solved by asking them not to harass you, not by putting limits on the device for everyone else.

nine_k•45m ago
There is a number of small Android phones, so apparently there is demand in that niche, and smaller companies can address it and make money.

But this is because Google is a software / service company, so it keeps Android open.

Apple is a hardware company, and always has been. They have a relatively narrow lineup of devices which they support for a very long time, compared to Android devices. So Apple are not interested in fringe markets; they go for the well-off mainstream mostly.

fxtentacle•1h ago
My guess would be that all those people that wanted small phones had an iPhone SE and now all their data is locked into Apple's walled garden and that's why they will begrudgingly buy a larger phone, even though they would have preferred a smaller one.

In short: Apple can get away with ignoring what those customers want.

gibspaulding•1h ago
I mean, I would assume most folks who liked the SE still have one. The SE 3 just stopped production this year and should have several years of software updates left (the SE 1 just ended software support this year, 7 years after it was discontinued.
carlosjobim•13m ago
The 3 is not really an SE. It's an iphone 8
carlosjobim•16m ago
Not hard to take your data anywhere you wish.
pseudalopex•48m ago
> Just profoundly weird to me that small manufacturers can’t make small phones because they’re small and can’t pay for it, and large manufacturers can’t make it because…(checks notes)…they’re large and don’t want to pay for it even if there’s demand.

Large and small companies sell smaller Android phones.

pmontra•38m ago
It's very difficult to find something around 140 grams and 140x80 even giving them some slack about the thickness. The Samsung S25 [1] is about there but I currently still use an A40 [2] because of the size and weight. I'd give away a couple of cm of height. A zero bezel 120mm phone would be ok. 120 grams are a dream.

[1] https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s25-13610.php

[2] https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a40-9642.php

wat10000•26m ago
It's not that they can't. They want to make money. When given the choice between making more money and less money, they'll generally choose more. They think making a smaller device would make less money. The sales numbers for previous attempts back this up. There's an enormous fixed cost for developing a new model, and it's not worthwhile unless that results in enough additional sales. There's demand, for sure, but how much? They think not enough, and I suspect they know what they're doing here.
the_gipsy•1h ago
Mind that there is also a feedback loop: applications only work correctly on bigger phone screens.
yapyap•1h ago
Can’t really want a smaller modern iPhone if no one is selling it.
hshdhdhj4444•1h ago
Foldables…
threetonesun•1h ago
Is it too big as a phone/SMS device? Yes. But as long as it's smaller than an equivalent digital camera or handheld gaming device or portable GPS it's still appropriately sized for how I mostly use it.
thesuitonym•50m ago
Maybe there's room in the world for a device people want, even if it's not the device the majority want? I mean I know Apple is just a small startup company with only a $4 trillion valuation, but maybe they could just do one thing that isn't maximally profitable once in a while.
ntoskrnl_exe•33m ago
>maybe they could just do one thing that isn't maximally profitable once in a while.

They tried that this year and called it iPhone Air

actionfromafar•15m ago
Right, forgot to mention it should also be somewhat practical.
frereubu•12m ago
I get you're referring to the profitability, but the iPhone Air is just thin, not small, which is where this conversation started.
thesuitonym•11m ago
Ya got me there.
brulard•9m ago
It felt more like: keep the size, reduce the battery life
wat10000•31m ago
I'm all for that when it comes to things like accessibility technology that allows people to do things they otherwise couldn't. But screen sizes? You can use a larger screen, you just prefer a smaller one.
jms703•4m ago
Shareholders would never ever be ok with a company not trying to be maximally profitable.
BeFlatXIII•33m ago
> They're giving the market the size people actually want.

Some people clear still want those small phones, just not enough for Apple's profit margins.

Cthulhu_•1h ago
I had a look for covers, and I could only find silicone (?) or plastic sleeves and the 'handbag straps'. I think / suppose a lot of people just have their phone in their hand or on a table all the time, so why make it pocket sized?
nozzlegear•1h ago
> In my opinion, the fact that Apple is now selling a bag to carry your oversized phone around in, is an admission that they failed to make phones that are convenient to carry.

Can any woman with a purse or man with a fanny pack chime and let us know if they've ever thought about putting their phones in their bags before?

dpoloncsak•1h ago
Is this supposed to dispute the claim? A man putting his phone in his fanny pack would also signify apple's phones are inconvenient to carry. Apple releasing a 'solution' is them admitting it
nozzlegear•23m ago
No, it's supposed to point out that there exists an entire set of people who have been putting their phones in bags for as long as phones have existed. We mostly don't hear from women here on HN thanks to old gender biases in tech.

> Apple releasing a 'solution' is them admitting it

Apple released a collaboration with a fashion brand.

keyringlight•45m ago
Yes, I do this because when I'm using my bike to get into work as it often involves more than one set of clothes and swapping everything between different pockets is annoying so I have a big 'unipocket' fanny pack, my 6.7" phone is still cumbersome in there making digging out other items annoying. And when I'm wearing some pairs of pants and the phone isn't angled just right it will dig into my hip while walking up stairs until it's adjusted. (and that's with a relatively budget android phone, smaller devices are a tiny niche of old less powerful devices that barely have support)
AlexandrB•1h ago
The worst part of this is the UI bloat that came along with it. Since there's no longer a need to consider smaller phones, everything got bigger and more padded also worsening the information density on larger phones.
sixtyj•1h ago
When I had to buy an iPhone 13 because support for the 5s ended, my hands hurt from the big phone...
xattt•1h ago
One of the subtext reasons is that women’s’ clothing lacks proper pockets for whatever sexist reason, so a pocket you wear on the outside can seem like a great idea.
grishka•55m ago
Phones have grown, but people are the same size as ever. It's as if the industry has collectively forgotten what ergonomics is. It's especially frustrating for me as someone who is a comparatively compact person and who still considers the phone a secondary device mostly for use outside.
stetrain•44m ago
The industry has given consumers the choice, and they overwhelmingly prefer to spend their money on the larger phones.
grishka•29m ago
The choice in the form of the iPhone mini that sold by millions but is somehow still considered a failed product by Apple, yeah. And nothing comparable in the Android world, where all manufacturers pretty much move in lockstep.
stetrain•23m ago
The choice has happened over many years. Incrementally consumers were offered the choice of the same size phone or larger, and they kept choosing larger.

If the smaller iPhones and Android phones of 10+ years ago had continued to sell well as larger models were introduced alongside them, they'd still be selling phones that size today.

dpark•16m ago
I wonder what percentage of people who complain about not being able to buy smaller phones actually ever bought the smaller phones when they were available. Are these people carrying 3rd gen iPhone SEs right now? I suspect no.

It’s not as if Apple dislikes money. If they believed the market for small phones was large enough, they’d still be selling small phones.

grishka•3m ago
You seem to have missed my point about manufacturers moving in lockstep.

Most people use a phone for at least two years. The way it happened in the 2010s, by the time someone is looking at buying the new one, all available phones on the market have already grown larger compared to their current one. So, they get sad and buy whatever is available.

dpark•22m ago
Estimates are that the mini was only about 3% of total iPhone sales.
gonational•54m ago
Literally this.

I'm typing this on an iPhone SE 2022 (the last one with a home button). I'm done with iPhone as soon as I am no longer able to use this model. I don't like the new, oversized pieces of junk, and I also like the home button as opposed to the new Face ID/swipe up workflow.

For people that have good visual acuity, the smaller screen is ideal; it's such high resolution that you can fit a lot of things in a small area. For people that turn the font size up to 600, the bigger screen is obviously ideal, but nobody really wants to have to hold something that is bigger if they don't need it for the screen size. That's the market I fit in and Apple has abandoned at market, along with all common sense (re: liquid glass, the recent Apple/Google Gemini deal, etc.).

chaostheory•50m ago
The current form factors are what people are buying. Even the Apple design team is surprised. I think even iPhone Air sales aren’t as good as they projected
kmoser•45m ago
> In my opinion, the fact that Apple is now selling a bag to carry your oversized phone around in, is an admission that they failed to make phones that are convenient to carry.

Marketing 101: Create a customer. Even if phones were small enough that there was no need for such a product, Apple's marketing team would convince you that you needed this product for [reasons].

aczerepinski•44m ago
Same. I got so excited by the thought of a new iPhone that would fit in my pocket, but clicked on the link to see… phone socks?
pmontra•43m ago
> I was so much hoping for an iPhone that will fit into my pocket

Yes, and I was about to write "so some Android manufacturer will copy Apple and deliver a phone of the size that was common 10 years ago."

Almost all of them are too large and they weight too much. 200 grams, why?

stetrain•42m ago
> In my opinion, the fact that Apple is now selling a bag to carry your oversized phone around in, is an admission that they failed to make phones that are convenient to carry.

I think it's an admission that consumers prefer phones that are large enough that they have become inconvenient to carry in a pocket.

Some people have never had pockets big enough to comfortably fit even a smaller smartphone and have been carrying them in bags this whole time.

AndrewKemendo•41m ago
It’s a fancy colostomy bag for all your digital shit
dpark•41m ago
This is solving an entirely different problem than you imagine. This is solving the problem of “no one can tell I use an iPhone when it’s in my purse/pocket”. This is a conspicuous bag that loudly announces “I’m carrying an iPhone”. That’s what it’s for.

Also, can you actually not fit a phone in your pocket? I can fit the biggest iPhone in my pocket just fine in all of my pants. Conversely my wife cannot, but that’s because women’s pockets are vestigial. She couldn’t fit the 3GS in most of her pockets either.

pseudalopex•39m ago
Why sell someone a small phone when you could sell them a large phone and a watch?
jajuuka•16m ago
This isn't a pragmatic item though. It's a fashion item. Similar to when Apple made the real gold Apple Watch. It's not a statement on the broader market, it's Apple associating its brand name with high fashion and prestige. They've done this for many years.
qudat•11m ago
I was hoping for a zfold
frereubu•7m ago
This is not any kind of admission about phone sizes. This is an "exclusive" tie-in with a high fashion brand, nothing more.
davidmurdoch•2h ago
Had to make sure it wasn't April 1st.
btbuildem•1h ago
Checked the ULR twice
esafak•1h ago
Suttle joke?
area51org•1h ago
For all intensive purpose's their one in the same.
jagged-chisel•1h ago
With all the things going on in the world, you also had to do this. All of it at once. You’re a monster.
rpdillon•38m ago
Well played!
RataNova•1h ago
It reads like satire until you hit the part where it costs $229 and realize... nope, this is 100% real
manarth•1h ago

    > it costs $229
:o

Surely it's satire! looks around in amazement

inshard•1h ago
Whenever in doubt about your product’s acceptance, just jack up the price and keep a straight face.
birdman3131•1h ago
Its showing as $149 for me.

Which still feels outrageous for what is basically a knitted scarf.

ryanchants•50m ago
There are 2 different sizes.
beAbU•30m ago
There's a long and a short one. The long one costs $80 more than the short one. Jesus.
craftkiller•1h ago
> The design drew inspiration from the concept of “a piece of cloth”

I'm not convinced this wasn't an April Fools joke accidentally released early.

kenjackson•1h ago
And they say you can “create your own personalized color combination”. This is just literally just the pairing of the phone color and whatever color you pick for the bag. Who calls this a customized color combination?!
lacoolj•49m ago
I'm still not convinced it isn't.

Let's wait until black friday and re-assess

jader201•30m ago
When I clicked the link, seeing it so high on the FP, I was 100% convinced they were finally re-releasing + rebranding the Mini.

Then I saw what it was, and was like “ah it’s an April Fools joke — but wait, it’s not April 1st”.

So now I can only assume people are upvoting it because it’s so ridiculous?

Are there people (on HN) that seriously think this is a good idea/are considering getting one of these hideous things?

ale42•2h ago
Did anyone else think/hope it was a new actually tiny iPhone?
BugsJustFindMe•1h ago
The long strap version is too short on that model. Purse straps hang to hip level for a reason. Hanging at the hip makes reaching in substantially more ergonomic.

Also lmao at the photo of the little bag strapped to the other larger bag. Yo dawg, I heard you like bags.

Also they're super ugly. But I guess that's "subjective".

fnord77•1h ago
"Inspired by the concept of “a piece of cloth,”"

I had to check that if wasn't April 1st

edit: holy shit, $150 for an iphone sock

brandall10•1h ago
FWIW, the designer behind these also created Job's turtlenecks.
crossroadsguy•1h ago
I never thought this will be a reality but here we are https://scoopertino.com/apple-blasts-into-supermarkets-with-...
noir_lord•1h ago
It gets really difficult to parody apple (and some of their customers) when they do things like this.
lloda•1h ago
They themselves are the best at doing it, really.
elboru•1h ago
I sincerely believe one day we'll get an official release of one of those Airpod straps: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hilarious-accessory-reminds-us-at...
GaryNumanVevo•52m ago
A phone brand that rich people buy selling overpriced designer items?
seydor•1h ago
Does it fit an android phone or is it immediately ejected from the pocket with gusto?
EPWN3D•1h ago
Ejecting with gusto would be gouache. The Android phone is simply shamed into dropping out of the sleeve.
mauvehaus•1h ago
Do you perhaps mean gauche, as in socially awkward verging on unacceptable or is there a connection to art supplies I'm missing here?

EDIT: or perhaps your phone "helpfully" autocorrected something wrong, as mine did.

tacker2000•57m ago
The bag will turn blue
spogbiper•43m ago
this voids the warranty
hrimfaxi•1h ago
This feels like a step backwards and if it were released on April 1st would be indistinguishable from a prank.
stavros•1h ago
This just screams that Apple has jumped the shark to me. First of all, they're selling a knitted scarf for putting your phone in, which... what?

> Inspired by the concept of “a piece of cloth”

Groundbreaking.

> iPhone Pocket in the short strap design retails at $149.95 (U.S.), and the long strap design at $229.95 (U.S.).

Just... good luck, guys.

stetrain•1h ago
It's a high-end fashion partnership, like the Hermès watches.

You could probably argue that high-end fashion is in a constant state of jumping the shark.

stavros•1h ago
But the Hermes watch was at least an Apple watch with some Hermes branding and accessories. This is just... a sock.
stetrain•1h ago
I'm not sure how an Hermès branded watch accessory is different than an ISSEY MIYAKE branded iPhone accessory.
ehzb2827•1h ago
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication -- Leonardo da Vinci
alwillis•1h ago
I’m not concerned; we’ve been here before with iPod Socks [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Socks

stavros•1h ago
Well, I stand corrected.
biophysboy•1h ago
"A piece of cloth" is referring to Miyake's preexisting fashion line of clothes without seams, 一枚の布.
xenator•1h ago
Pffff... No AI? Who need it? Even my shower gel is AI already.
brk•1h ago
It might be dumb, but at least it's expensive.

This looks like it would make basic interaction with your phone highly cumbersome. It also looks like an easier target for thieves.

astrolx•1h ago
> It might be dumb, but at least it's expensive.

Just realizing that the reverse could be a selling point for a phone here: It might be expensive, but at least it's dumb.

socalgal2•1h ago
There will be tons of cheap clones in 3...2...1....
brk•1h ago
This was one of my first thoughts. Could have knock-offs made for probably $10 landed cost, and put them on Amazon for $99.
Cockbrand•58m ago
Haha, before looking at the price, I joked "I'm not going to buy this if it's only $99 or less."

I sure didn't get disappointed.

lufasz•1h ago
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/hs8p2zm/a/iphone-pocket-b...

https://media.gq-magazine.co.uk/photos/5f8efdba9b357099d70a9...

fxtentacle•1h ago
Damn you! Can't unsee it now. ;)
bertili•1h ago
I saw it too before clicking the second link!
amelius•1h ago
https://images.macrumors.com/t/h94LDq8hcQZUYyGkE_wGSaDm1bE=/...

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/9mQnP0/s3/fiat-multipla-19...

lopis•1h ago
Suspiciously missing if the color shown in the press release, the one closely resembling the one Borat is using.
jtokoph•20m ago
If you change the "Size" on the store page from "Long" to "Short", the yellow is there. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/hs8r2zm/a/iphone-pocket-b...
notatoad•3m ago
yeah, but i can't wear the short one.
paulsmith•56m ago
lol I came here to post this too - perfect
crazygringo•1h ago
It's kind of hilarious to me when the tech world collides with the high-end fashion world. On the one hand, I get how absurd this seems from a tech perspective. On the other hand, dropping a couple hundred dollars on a fashion item that will be trendy for a season among a certain group... it's no different from any other high-end fashion accessory. It's just that the two worlds so rarely overlap.
acedTrex•1h ago
You can see just from this thread how the tech world reacts to the fashion world.
chaostheory•49m ago
Apple is a fashion company when you think about it
gnarlouse•1h ago
As silly a product as this is, the fact that it made it to the front page of Hacker News makes it a bigger deal than it actually is.

It's not like it's sitting on Apple's frontpage. It's not some major product announcement. To get to the `/newsroom` page where the product was listed, you have to literally scroll to the bottom of https://apple.com and click a tiny link.

I will however comment on the price and utter lack of functionality. This product is utter garbage--a total niche for art goblins (said lovingly).

Noaidi•1h ago
Correct. The fact this made it o the front page is because the economy in the US is horribly K shaped.
bertili•1h ago
"Wear an iPhone"... It's increasingly difficult to love this company.
Noaidi•1h ago
"The design of iPhone Pocket speaks to the bond between iPhone and its user"

I have so much to say about that sentence that I cannot seem to say anything.

weirdindiankid•1h ago
I’m not trying to be glib here, but this genuinely looks like something a satirical blog might post.

I’m not a product or UI/UX designer but when you have to design a new, ridiculous way to carry a phone your company’s manufacturing and selling, I’d have thought that’s your sign to focus on making it less awkward to carry. “Think different”, indeed.

wvbdmp•1h ago
> Material: Nylon (14%), Polyester (85%), Polyurethane (1%)
tacker2000•1h ago
Its crazy they didnt even use any expensive materials to maybe somewhat justify the price.

Just the cheapest stuff you can get away with.

Noaidi•1h ago
This is yet another sign of the K Shaped economy. While I am homeless through no fault of my own, people can buy a $200 sweater pocket for their iphone.

This is an old story, and it does not end well.

lenerdenator•1h ago
``` Apple Canton Road, Hong Kong

Apple Ginza, Tokyo

Apple Jing’an, Shanghai

Apple Marché Saint-Germain, Paris

Apple Myeongdong, Seoul

Apple Orchard Road, Singapore

Apple Piazza Liberty, Milan

Apple Regent Street, London

Apple SoHo, New York City

Apple Xinyi A13, Taipei ```

Couldn't hack it in Apple Plaza, Kansas City, huh?

ta12653421•1h ago
haha who came here because expecting a mini/small iPhone like the SE? :-D
azmenak•1h ago
Seeing all the nerd brains of HN implode trying to understand this. This is what happens when the tech and fashion worlds overlap for a moment.
akersten•1h ago
No one can convince me a $229 sock to hold your phone is comprehensible to the average person, nerd brain be damned
jitl•18m ago
my conclusion is that designer fashion is not for average people

see also apple watch hermes $500 watch straps (https://www.apple.com/shop/watch/bands/apple-watch-herm%C3%A...)

or (non-apple) LV purses, $5000+ https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/women/handbags/all-handba...

or LV phone strap, "Contact Us" https://eu.louisvuitton.com/eng-e1/products/monogram-phone-s...

ggregoire•25m ago
A $10 fanny pack from Uniqlo or H&M looks better than this thing and is also more practical (can carry other stuff, keys, wallet, etc)

https://static.standard.co.uk/2023/01/19/10/uniqlo%20header....

yellow_lead•1h ago
This is gonna launch first in Taipei (among other stores) and looks a lot like the bags people use to carry their boba tea in here. It's a bit expensive for a drink bag though.
etchalon•1h ago
Products like these wouldn't need to exist if we just let women have pockets.
travoc•1h ago
Who is “we?” Why are you preventing women from having pockets? I’m certainly not.
etchalon•1h ago
And yet, they lack pockets.

Mysteries abound.

spogbiper•39m ago
if women actually bought clothes with pockets, vendors would sell them. there is no secret conspiracy against pockets for women
etchalon•37m ago
I invite you to talk to literally any woman.
zoklet-enjoyer•1h ago
Early April Fools joke?
BobAliceInATree•1h ago
For those surprised by the cost, this is an Issey Miyake product, and the price is in-line with that. It's no different than the $800+ Hermes leather Apple Watch straps.
shmatt•1h ago
Also made in Japan
linkage•27m ago
I'm as big a weeb as anyone but this is a textbook example of:

>thing >:(

>thing, Japan :O

bilekas•1h ago
> the long strap design at $229.95 (U.S.

Their level of innovation is inspiring. I knew my grandmother was ahead of her time. Apple just proves it.

nozzlegear•1h ago
Can we keep a running tally of how many "I thought this was an April Fool's joke!" comments have been made on this story?
pertinhower•1h ago
Quote: “ Inspired by the concept of ‘a piece of cloth.’” Is this some kind of joke? If it were April 1st I’d assume the whole article is meant for comedic effect.
CalRobert•1h ago
Pairs well with pieces from the Apple collection https://archive.org/details/apple-collection-1986-1987/page/...
perihelions•1h ago
> "Greater China"

Irredentist pro-war language, Tim Cook? I am so done with Apple. They knew what they did when they chose the words; they certainly spent thousands of hours deliberating them.

This is Lebensraum with Chinese Characteristics.

> "The term is often used to avoid invoking sensitivities over the political status of Taiwan.[16] Contrastingly, it has been used in reference to Chinese irredentism in nationalist contexts, such as the notion that China should reclaim its "lost territories" to create a Greater China.[17][18]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_China

testfrequency•1h ago
Just like how they removed all the gay dating apps in China yesterday (by request of the government of course).

So sad to watch a gay CEO just sit comfortably and allow his company quietly destroy his own “community”. Don’t get me started on SA either…

ronsor•1h ago
> Just like how they removed all the gay dating apps in China yesterday (by request of the government of course).

Those apps have always been illegal in China. Of course, one could say Apple should not operate in China (and this is perhaps true), but they cannot both operate there and break the law.

voidmain•1h ago
Apple could choose to give the users of their devices freedom to run whatever operating systems and programs they choose. Then they could truthfully say that there is no way for them to control what people do with their devices once they leave the Apple store. If you put yourself in control of such things because it is profitable, you ought to take responsibility for the consequences.
BurningFrog•46m ago
China could also make that illegal, and probably has.

You're never going to outsmart the Chinese government with clever little tricks. They don't play like that.

sabatonfan•41m ago
Can china make linux illegal?
raincole•31m ago
They can make iPhone illegal.

Would they? Unlikely, given iPhone creates a lot of jobs there. But if iPhone becomes the de facto devices for Chinese citizens to access illegal content then the chance is none-zero.

(And of course they can make Linux illegal too. It's just harder to enforce than making iPhone illegal.)

dhosek•27m ago
What makes you think they wouldn’t if they felt it would be useful? Or more likely, require a particular government-endorsed Linux.
bitwize•25m ago
If Brazil can, China can.
sabatonfan•13m ago
Can you give me the source of where brazil made linux illegal? I am sorry but I tried to search and the only references I could find were of brazil banning twitter/X for some reason.

I am genuinely curious how someone can decide linux to be illegal. How would the ban even work out?

BurningFrog•15m ago
Not only that, they can ignore their laws and disappear/kill you whenever they feel like it.

They're not killing their own people by the millions like in Mao's days, but it's still a brutal dictatorship when it wants to be.

rpdillon•24m ago
It's not really about outsmarting them. Authoritarian systems of control rely on centralization. If you create an ecosystem where end users have lots of agency, of course most of them will go the path of least resistance, but the few who are willing to put in the effort to resist still can. Google and Apple tightening their grip over their respective mobile ecosystems is a very potent lever for authoritarian governments to pull.
KronisLV•16m ago
Surely there’s a difference between hardware being a locked down appliance and… well, a more generic computation device.

I think the argument is that Apple or even any company that makes Android phones could choose to have an open bootloader (and maybe some driver stuff) and normally that wouldn’t really offend any government, while also giving the users more freedoms.

Otherwise, what’s next, PCs that only run Windows and only allow Edge as the browser and force the telemetry on?

sneak•28m ago
Then China asks Apple to blacklist prohibited apps via notarization revocation. This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
tgma•24m ago
It's delusional to think the default OS would be replaced by anyone more than a few percent of niche users.

It's your desire to have open OS just say so. Doesn't really tie into avoiding oppression by communism. The Chinese need to solve that problem at its root.

behnamoh•30m ago
Or you know, allow third party app stores?
Aeolun•25m ago
> they cannot both operate there and break the law.

Clearly they were doing exactly that until yesterday?

perihelions•17m ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45881241 ("Apple Pulls China's Top Gay Dating Apps After Government Order (wired.com)"—0 comments)
cactusplant7374•1h ago
He did give a tour of Apple HQ to MBS. But maybe they think they can do more good than harm by selling products in Saudi.
fennecfoxy•1h ago
This is why, as a gay man, I give people a look when they ask why I still rant about gay rights "even though you guys have marriage and stuff now".

It's 2025, almost 2026 and we're still doing this shit. I don't care if you think I'm icky, I think other people are icky sometimes but I don't try to stop them from existing for it. People are entitled to be who they are.

testfrequency•50m ago
Most hetero people will never (thankfully) know that pitted feeling of having to check your surroundings and environment every single day when you simply want to hold your partners hand, chat to a coworker, book a hotel reservation, or book a night out to celebrate.

Every single macro outcome like this only demoralizes gay people just wanting to wake up and not think about anything other than the stresses and excitement of the day ahead.

If anyone reads this and you think it sounds dramatic, it’s not. It’s a reality, and Tim Cook knows that..he should do better.

NickC25•34m ago
>It’s a reality, and Tim Cook knows that..he should do better.

You say that, but he's made billions by explicitly not doing better. And he's Wall Street's darling for it.

sabatonfan•31m ago
I am a straight man and I feel like some communities just become scape-goats

We have this us vs them mentality which some people use to collect power and influence at the costs of them

Ultimately I think that it is a very foolish thing because I think that as long as nobody bothers on my freedom etc., I should be in literally nobody's business bothering their freedom

> It's 2025, almost 2026 and we're still doing this shit. I don't care if you think I'm icky, I think other people are icky sometimes but I don't try to stop them from existing for it. People are entitled to be who they are.

I agree 100% with this message.

But one thing I have problem with (on the straight side of things) is that I have seen occasionally some extremely feminist comments which do try to impeach or try to have this very fundamental skewed problem that man are ALL the problem and its all man's fault etc. and I have seen the same in masculinity cultures as well and I feel like both of them are just radicalizing people to seize power and influence or sell courses or feel better about themselves.

I think that we sometimes forget that people are people and we should treat others with the same courtesy and kindness that we expect to be treated with, I guess. maybe we sometimes don't treat them that way or didn't treat them that way and I guess we should just apologize or try not to do that ever again. Mistakes happen but as long as we still have a mindset similar to doing good, I feel like things would be hopeful.

sabatonfan•41m ago
I didn't know that tim cook was gay and here is one message from wikipedia I want to quote

> In June 2014, Cook attended San Francisco's gay pride parade along with a delegation of Apple staff.[85] On October 30, Cook publicly came out as gay in an editorial for Bloomberg Business, saying, "I'm proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me."[86] While it had been reported in early 2011 that Cook was gay,[87][88] at the time, Cook tried to keep his personal life private

I feel like Tim Cook should be a man of his words and try to actually help the community he is proud to be in but I am sure that investors might not be happy but that just goes on to show that maybe even some CEO's could be puppets of shareholders and can be forced to do things solely for profit where their heart might not lie.

I think that another point is that shareholders can also be puppets of CEO's in the case of Elon musk 1 Trillion $ deal shows that imo

I feel like we live in the times where morality can be side-lined for profit and be celebrated. The whole idea why even people can be puppets of each other could be because they get profits and power and influence because of it (basically money most of the times)

But what power do those CEO's have if they can't stand for what they think is right or educate themselves on these matters.

Food for thought.

> virtue was not convenient at the time

Maybe we live just in such times.

sneak•38m ago
You can’t fight City Hall.

The iPhone is a Chinese product. China ultimately controls whether or not the iPhone exists. No place else on earth can manufacture 20,000 iPhones an hour, 24/7/365.

Making two hundred million devices of the iPhone’s complexity and quality is not a trivial matter, and takes tens of thousands of skilled (and experienced) workers. Almost all of those people are Chinese, in China, subject to Chinese law. Apple cannot meaningfully fight Chinese law.

“sit comfortably” is a big stretch here. I imagine it must upset him as much or perhaps more than it does you and I. We, after all, can speak publicly about how upsetting it is. He cannot.

blahgeek•1h ago
I think it's a common term used to loosely describe the geographical region. It's used by many other companies like Microsoft [1] and Google [2]

[1] https://careers.microsoft.com/v2/global/en/locations/gcr.htm... [2] https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/intl/en-apac/collections/gre...

thoroughburro•1h ago
It’s a common, if highly distasteful, euphemism used by entities which must speak out of both sides of their mouths, yes.
perihelions•44m ago
It's a large step up from "it's used for job postings in (or closely working with) mainland China", to "it's featured in Apple product announcements targeting a global audience of millions".

Has it been used in an Apple product announcement before? My search is imperfect, but I actually can't find an example (on their /newsroom subdomain).

As recently as two months ago, with the Airphone announcement, they weren't doing this:

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/09/introducing-iphone-ai... ("Introducing iPhone Air, a powerful new iPhone with a breakthrough design")

> "The 40W Dynamic Power Adapter with 60W Max will be available in Canada, China mainland, Japan, Mexico, Taiwan, the Philippines, and the U.S."

groundzeros2015•51m ago
Not engaging in political fights outside your circle of influence is actually good for business and responsible leadership.
reaperducer•39m ago
"Good for business" is not the highest goal a human can achieve. Not even close.

Start with "do the right thing" and progress from there.

groundzeros2015•29m ago
- What do you desire from professionals you hire?

- is performative naming of countries that hurt your relationships “the right thing”

- is business where we achieve our highest goals as humans?

reaperducer•22m ago
- What are you having for lunch?

- What flavor are hydrogen protons?

- How fast does a cow moo?

We're playing Non-Sequitur Theater now, right?

1121redblackgo•12m ago
I'd rather we drop the pretense or expectations that corporations have anything but one goal. That will help us direct our energy to where it can actually be productive.

If the marketplace demands better corporate stewardship, and people vote with their wallet, and companies decides to change then great, but the corporate ship is only ever getting steered in one direction and it's not for noble reasons.

epolanski•5m ago
I really dislike this narrative.

Because if you really want to stick with it, most companies should do business in a handful of countries in the world.

I think businesses should mind their own businesses and comply with local laws, end of story.

I ain't got no patience for companies quitting country X, but not Y.

dist-epoch•28m ago
Apple is the third most valuable company in the world. Not a mom and pop grocery store.

Apple CEO meets with the US president.

AndrewKemendo•42m ago
History shows without exception that authoritarianism and commerce are bedfellows.

I’m unaware of any for profit business interest over all of known history that hasn’t bent the knee to the desires of an authoritarian government

sneak•39m ago
The CCP has Apple hostage. Their products are (effectively) all made there.

China has more control over Apple than the US does, at present. They are, of course, in crash override priority mode trying to change that, but nowhere else on earth can manufacture (on average) 20,000 iPhones per hour, 24/7/365. (TBH it’s probably closer to 50k per hour in the months up to release day.)

The iPhone is a Chinese product, made by tens of thousands of Chinese people, on machines in China, subject to Chinese jurisdiction and law. That’s an uncomfortable fact for the US economy.

If Apple doesn’t do exactly what China wants them to do, the iPhone does not exist, and Apple as we know it today does not exist.

jajuuka•20m ago
US government has FAR more control over Apple as a company. China only has control of the Chinese operations. The president is personally beefing with companies and buying stakes in them. The tariffs alone could have severely hurt Apple, but Apple bent over backwards to appease the president. The US government can simply request an app be removed and Apple and Google will do it worldwide.

China does not have that power over Apple. China can threaten Apple but they have already diversified their manufacturing to other countries so China does not have a strangle hold on the supply line.

wat10000•34m ago
They've been using this term for years. It's nothing new and nothing unique to Apple.

Don't forget that the "we are the only legitimate Chinese government and we own it all" attitude is shared by both Chinese governments. The PRC claims Taiwan, but Taiwan claims all of China as well.

kossTKR•34m ago
Your comment is the actual prowar propaganda though in my europeean eyes.

The US is worse than China in many aspects, from forever wars to climate over colonialism to fascism and support for an ongoing extremely violent genocide on over a hundred thousand civilians, - where is China geonociding hundreds a week right now? Yeah nowhere, but the US is doing that every decade.

Incredible to see this angle that 'the good guys' are bowing down to bad China in this context when you have so much poverty, political repression and lack of gay rights, abortion etc in many right wing states to straight up hyper right wing terrorism targeting vulnerable populations every year.

NickC25•27m ago
>The US is worse than China in many aspects, from forever wars to climate over colonialism to fascism and support for an ongoing extremely violent genocide on over a hundred thousand civilians.

My man, the US and China are more or less the exact same here with the exception of forever wars.

Climate? China pollutes like crazy, and so does the US. Colonialism? Maybe not in the same vein but China does engage in actions to other nations, such as Macau, Hong Kong, and Taiwan that could be classified as colonialism. Fascism? Well yeah both countries are pretty much openly fascist right now. Support for an ongoing extremely violent genocide of over a hundred thousand people? Yeah the US and China are both complicit there. In fact, in China, you're speaking about the regime itself, with context to the ongoing genocide of Uyghur people.

kossTKR•24m ago
Yes its imperial logic so why arent you saying that to OP's bizzare US = peace and gay rights comment?

And the Uyghur repression is no genocide compared to Palestine thats complete US misinformation and frankly a sinister comparison - the US is much much more violent, again look at Palestine, before that literally 30+ wars for resources and markets with millions of civilians dead.

Im not naive about China but this US = beacon of human rights angle is frankly gross to me.

China has many problems but americans are literally worse and you wanting to boycut due to human rights, is this a joke?

AndrewKemendo•22m ago
No the chinese people, most of whom do not have a ICE car, do not produce those carbon numbers

China is where the west exported pollution to by the fact that we pushed most of the deadly and dangerous production and manufacturing there.

So all the west does is launder pollution through east and southeastern asia.

sabatonfan•18m ago
I feel like in geo-politics. No country can be good.

Personally, I feel like america still has (had) hope with zohran mamdani but after the recent american shutdown, I would consider democratic party to be an extension of republican party or not doing anything radical except bernie,aoc, zohran and some other people.

I feel like America could have a hope to swing whereas china doesn't imo.

although, I feel like what is happening is that people made (short term?) decisions earlier generations earlier which lead us to where we are today where any country over-all needs a radical change as both europe and america and a lot of other countries need to radicalize what they are doing to give hope to the youngsters

Personally I feel like we shouldn't care much about US or chinese products but rather the ideologies of the product creators if we are worried about things and I think this is one of the reasons I love open source so much.

kossTKR•7m ago
Hope to swing? The US has killed many more people in wars of conquest than China in the last 50 years. So i really see both as problematic but the US is still much more violent geopolitically. Ie worse in my eyes, Israels latest genocide being a creszendo on an already horrible track record.
nimbius•29m ago
of the 193 members of the UN, only 12 (6%) recognize Taiwan as a country.

the Kuomintang lost the war. its effectively the same as if the confederacy retreated to the Florida keys and China maintained a policy of deliberate ambiguity.

sunnyps•20m ago
The population of Taiwan is 23 million. The population of Florida Keys is 82000. Not the same.
dabluecaboose•3m ago
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signatoremo•3m ago
Nothing pro war about it. Read history books instead of making assumptions. It is referring to the mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau as a whole. It became popular with the rise of China. Try any business newspaper in the 90s. It is less relevant now as Hong Kong and Macau are now part of China.

It isn’t unlike Benelux, or Scandinavia, or Iberian, or Balkan, or Gulf countries.

a_ba•1h ago
Wasn‘t Borat wearing one of those like 20years ago?
karel-3d•1h ago
welcome back, iPod socks.
parsimo2010•1h ago
I’m so glad there are some people willing to pay over $200 for “a piece of cloth” which I assume is a translation issue but it sounds uninspired- who knew your inspiration for a bag could be the material that most bags are made of?

I especially like how it’s sized to fit almost any iPhone ever made. So not only are you getting a bag made of cloth, for over $200 it’s not even custom fitted!

Anyway, this product isn’t for me. I suppose enough other people will buy it.

Edit: I suppose the short version is under $200 but my sentiment hasn’t changed. Perhaps I’m even more cranky now that increasing the length of the strap costs $80. That’s the same level of rip-off that Apple charges for increased SSD storage on their Macs.

craftkiller•1h ago
I bought my current phone for $94 brand new. It can communicate with other devices over the air through literal magic. It has 2.5 million tiny lights, each independently controlled to be any color I want. It knows where I am anywhere on the planet. Through it, I can access an essentially infinite pool of entertainment, hail life-saving emergency services, perform monetary transactions, acquire food, etc.

This piece of cloth is twice the price and it can't even make phone calls.

kulahan•20m ago
Surely you understand things like economies of scale, surplus inventories, etc.?

Not to mention, "number of lights" or "ability to communicate through the air" has no real bearing on its value, clearly.

GaryNumanVevo•54m ago
This is like complaining about the $400 Hermès band. The "iPhone Pocket" is obviously a luxury item from a high end designer, of course it's going to be expensive.
jeremya•1h ago
It’s a thneed!
low_tech_punk•1h ago
A slingshot, A blind fold, A pocket -- Steve Jobs never said that.
HardwareLust•1h ago
Apple's been heading down the toilet since Cook took over, now they've morphed into a parody of themselves.
yapyap•1h ago
April fools came early for 2026
rsynnott•1h ago
Finally, Apple have invented the bag.
FireBeyond•20m ago
No, Apple has never had to be the first to invent. They wait, and they don't release until they get it right. /s
booleanbetrayal•1h ago
The next product Apple will unveil will be an iPhone case made of human fingernails from those who have tried to climb this K-shaped economic ladder and failed. It'll be a steal at only $500 a pop.
sd9•1h ago
I do not mean to be crass, but some of the ones that are carrying an iPhone bear more than a passing resemblance to a human vagina.
butz•1h ago
How about making phone that fits into a normal pocket?
ungreased0675•1h ago
I was hoping this would be the announcement of a mini iPhone.

Instead they’re selling larger pockets because normal pockets aren’t big enough for large phones.

mohsen1•56m ago
"3D-knitted"

Do others knit in the 2-dimensional space?

fennecfoxy•56m ago
Ha, I bet the muggers/phone thieves will have a field day.

I find it interesting that anybody is that surprised. Remember, this is the company that overcharges for SSDs (no they're not magical super SSDs that only Apple can make)/extra ram.

They charged $1000 for a monitor stand that's pretty much just a thin block of aluminium.

philipwhiuk•15m ago
I guess it works as a really expensive lasso/strangulation device.

I assume the sort of person who buys this walks from the chauffeured car door to the door, not down a regular high street.

mikestew•55m ago
I was kinda hoping for new HomePods today, if rumors are to be believed, but instead I get this.
haunter•54m ago
$5 on Aliexpress next week
jtc-hn•54m ago
Back when Steve Jobs was at Next, Apple released the Duo Dock. Instead of plugging your laptop into a docking station, you put it in a slot like a giant 3.5" floppy. It was different, sure, but I still don't know what design problem it solved.

This is today's Duo Dock, isn't it?

bamboozled•46m ago
I’d love to out my laptop into a slit and take it out later ? This “bag” though seems like an insult considered I still liked the smaller iPhones.
munificent•39m ago
> I still don't know what design problem it solved.

It supported a CRT so you could have your laptop under your display without needing to spend desktop space for a laptop off to the side.

Havoc•52m ago
Is this intended as a serious product? Can’t quite tell
bamboozled•49m ago
dear god, this is stupid…
bunderbunder•47m ago
Every knitter on the planet is simultaneously thinking, "$150 for a rib stitch tube with a slit that I could make a clone of in one sitting? Dang."
nusl•41m ago
This pattern repeats itself in "high" fashion quite a lot. Simple, ridiculous things that are relatively trivial to make, yet massively expensive due to hype/brand/fomo. I guess it wouldn't exist if people didn't pay for it, but it also shows how people don't value craftsmanship so much as status symbols.

Show them two identical products, one from Apple, one from Auntie down the street, and they'll pick Apple and tell you the other is inferior.

bunderbunder•35m ago
I'm sure theirs is better than anything I could make myself in all sorts of little ways. I'm just not sure it would be $140 better.

On the other hand, if I did make one for myself (which I won't - one purse is enough) it would probably have a 2-color brioche stitch or something like that for more visual interest.

EGreg•47m ago
I clicked hoping they’re making a small iPhone again like the SE was.

I look around at people with the smaller phone and wish we had a newer model. Whatever happened to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0gtsjfy7E

The small iPhone is like the Cadillac Ciel. So many would buy it if they could, but they can’t so they won’t.

maxfurman•45m ago
The iPhone Pocket is a pocket for your iPhone and not a pocket-sized iPhone??? Unbelievable. So disappointing.
balls187•44m ago
Not for me.

But my partner is a fashion designer and was just this morning working through studying 3D knitting technique.

So I wonder if this will lead to more 3D knitted products.

bz_bz_bz•42m ago
An Apple Thneed
ARandomerDude•41m ago
Formerly known as a "purse".
Lu2025•41m ago
They could just make a device that fits in a regular pocket. Most phones are too big now.
pcdoodle•38m ago
Wow, that's a little tone deaf. I was hoping for a small iPhone, They're so big now we make dedicated bags... F
atlex2•35m ago
I built some of the first apps on the App Store. Top twenty navigation app. Won an ADA.

Still, my pocket is my iPhone pocket.

Until they release something the size of the X or smaller, I’m sticking with my iPhone 13 Mini or eventually going for a Razr style Android.

Every year they release something, I go check it out. My love for Apple dies a bit more.

jtrn•35m ago
Makes me think og Borat.
foofoo12•35m ago
> beautiful way to wear and carry

I strongly disagree with that statement.

titusjohnson•33m ago
I take the pants that have insufficient pockets to a tailor, and ask them to extend the depth of the phone pocket. You can even ask them to do the extension in phone size if you want to restrict its movement in your pocket. On average I've needed about a 3" extension which both restricts lateral phone movement, and also carries it low enough on my thigh that the phone doesn't pinch into my hip when I sit down.

$30 or so later you'll have an integrated Pholster and don't have to carry another thing around with you. For $200 you should be able to update all the pants you have that lack a proper pocket. This is also an incredibly easy thing to sew yourself, by hand, while you watch TV. $30 for a tailor to do the first pair to give you a template to follow, $50 at a craft store will get you some decent scissors, needle, thread, and a yard of whatever material you like. You'll butcher the first pair of pants, but the second, will be better and the third will be perfect.

davidhunter•31m ago
Top of the market
jordemort•28m ago
I clicked hoping for a smaller iPhone and I’m very disappointed that it’s just a sock to stuff my current oversized one into
Aeolun•27m ago
Bwuh, I thought they had a new name for a smaller iPhone, but it’s just a bag.
dysoco•27m ago
Did a pickpocket design this?
midtake•26m ago
Worst of all is that it's polyester, basically a piece of plastic. I hope this product fails just because of that.
drewchew•18m ago
Y'all remember iPod Socks?
raffael_de•18m ago
The CookSleeve™
mlmonkey•16m ago
I thought this satire at first.

Steve would have fired everyone involved in this stupidity.

longtimelistnr•10m ago
Steve was a noted fan of Issey Miyake
NickC25•15m ago
Wait this thing is like $150? It's got all of like $2 worth of yarn and plastic.

A sucker is born every minute, clearly.

epolanski•8m ago
I thought this was an april fools.
varjag•5m ago
Phone tote bag that goes hard with world's thinnest phone.
mvkel•5m ago
Apple should experience the same surge of collective excitement everyone felt when they first saw the headline "iPhone Pocket," followed by the crushing disappointment of discovering it's just a grocery bag for your iPhone.

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