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The last-ever penny will be minted today in Philadelphia

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/12/business/last-penny-minted
66•andrewl•1h ago

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hrimfaxi•1h ago
I watched a video on the demise of the penny and its predicament was so succinctly explained: everyone gets pennies as change but few carry them around let alone spend them, so we are stuck producing ever more. One news outlet even did an "experiment" where they threw hundreds of pennies on the ground in a city on a busy morning and not one person stopped to pick any up.
basscomm•1h ago
> everyone gets pennies as change but few carry them around let alone spend them

It's not just pennies, it's all coins. In a former life I worked in retail and almost nobody would fish around in their pockets for exact (or even near) change. They'd always hand me bills for their purchase even if they had just completed a transaction and had the coins in their pocket. That was in the 90's, and I still see it happening today, even though I'm no longer in the retail world.

Retric•1h ago
I’d regularly use quarters in vending machines, but not waste time during a retail transaction.
Symbiote•11m ago
In most other countries, since prices are shown including all taxes you can often have the money ready while waiting in line etc.
bryanlarsen•1h ago
Many countries eliminated their pennies without chaos or unfair burdens on shopkeepers. In Canada, the process was widely popular after the fact even though newspaper articles prior to the elimination intimated it wouldn't be due to their "both sides" style of reporting.

It's indicative of the current US administration that they managed to screw this up despite many examples world wide of how to do it properly.

terminalshort•1h ago
If you believe this is going to cause chaos or significant burdens on merchants I have got a bridge to sell you (but I don't take pennies). This quote tells you all you need to know.

> The government’s phasing out of the penny has been “a bit chaotic,” said Mark Weller, executive director of Americans for Common Cents. The pro-penny group is funded primarily by Artazn, the company that provides the blanks used to make pennies.

quickthrowman•2m ago
Unfair burden?? I think you’re blowing this out of proportion..

Credit card fees are 2-4%. Rounding to the nearest nickel costs at most $0.03.

It is cheaper to round to the nearest nickel for any transaction of one dollar or more, which is every transaction these days.

Analemma_•1h ago
Honestly nickels and dimes, and maybe even quarters, should go too. It's ridiculous that we don't have $1 and $2 coins in widespread circulation in the US (we have a $1 coin but nobody uses it).
JohnFen•1h ago
I'd mourn the loss of the quarter. I use those quite often.

> (we have a $1 coin but nobody uses it)

Because they keep designing it in the stupidest way, making it easy to confuse with a quarter. I don't know why they do that.

That said, I do prefer paper $1 bills over coins. Paper is lighter and easier to carry. But I'd only slightly grumble if we replaced it with a reasonable coin.

terminalshort•1h ago
It's a completely different color than a quarter.
JohnFen•1h ago
That doesn't help if you're in dim lighting or have vision problems.
45764986•1h ago
If you have vision problems, US currency is totally unfriendly to you. Unlike other countries, which have bills of different sizes, all the US currency bills are the same size, so getting change as a blind person is basically relying on the honesty of whoever is behind the counter.
JohnFen•1h ago
Absolutely true. It's one of the several crazy design problems with US paper currency.
terminalshort•1h ago
That would explain why 1% of people don't use the $1 coin. It doesn't explain the other 99%.
pavel_lishin•1h ago
99% of people have Darkvision? What is this, a D&D party?
basscomm•47m ago
That's why the dollar coin was redesigned in 2000. The old dollar coin had a reeded edge that was too similar to a quarter, so it was sometimes hard to distinguish if you had vision issues (or if you didn't have vision issues because they were about the same size as a quarter). The new ones have a smooth edge so you can tell them apart from quarters without having to look at them
JohnFen•16m ago
True, and the new design is better than the old because of it. But it hasn't resolved the issue enough to really matter. Some less subtle physical difference is required -- put a hole in it, make it an obviously unique size, whatever.

At least that's how it seems to me. It's an interesting design issue. I don't personally care too much -- I'm fine with the paper bill -- but I do have curiosity about why the coin designers have made the decisions they did about the $1 coin.

pavel_lishin•1h ago
If your fingertips can sense the color of things in your pocket, I'd love to learn more.
basscomm•49m ago
> That said, I do prefer paper $1 bills over coins. Paper is lighter and easier to carry.

Sure, but how many $1 bills do you typically carry around? If it's more than four, then you can trade them in for a $5 bill just about anywhere.

basscomm•1h ago
We also have a $2 bill that nobody uses for whatever reason.

I never understood the objections to the $1 coin, especially after the redesign to make it more distinct from a quarter. $1 coins are great for buying stuff out of vending machines since you don't have to fight with a dodgy bill acceptor or a mangled bill.

devmor•1h ago
> We also have a $2 bill that nobody uses for whatever reason.

It’s because retailers wont accept them - they think they’re counterfeit because no one uses them. A catch-22 situation, really.

JohnFen•1h ago
I've never had a retailer refuse to accept a $2 bill, although a couple of times the clerk summoned the manager about it.

But I've never found a retailer willing to give a $2 bill as change.

The resistance to the $2 bill is a very weird cultural thing.

orangecat•1h ago
Yeah. My proposal would be to have 10 cent, 50 cent, and $1 coins (rounding everything to the nearest 10 cents), with $2 the smallest bill. And probably you could drop the $5 bill at that point.
ianferrel•58m ago
There's a lot of physical infrastructure that works with quarters, and it's probably not worth giving that up for slightly improved coinage. Just drop all the coins smaller than a quarter.
basscomm•18m ago
That only works if you completely reconfigure sales tax
silisili•9m ago
My only real objection I guess, and the reason I don't carry change of any sort, is because it's constantly falling out of my pockets. I'm rather tall, so many seating positions put my knees higher than my waist, which I think contributes to that.

Further, since I don't have enough pockets to have a dedicated change pocket, it's always getting caught up in my keys and/or pocket knife.

Nobody really gave us training on this stuff, do other countries use a coin purse or some such?

Lastly, they're just comparatively heavy.

I just carry cash around in either a clip or a "front pocket wallet" I think they're called, and it seems more convenient all around.

nicole_express•1h ago
Honestly I'd rather just not have coins at that point, rather than try to push $1 and $2 coins. Then I can just carry my wallet for bills and not have to worry about keeping track of coins separately.

Gotta do something to make the $2 bill popular though, no idea how.

Brendinooo•1h ago
Nickels and dimes certainly have predecent. When the US killed the half-penny in 1857, it had a purchasing power of somewhere around 19 cents from 2024.
delecti•1h ago
Quarters might be premature, but the half-cent was discontinued when it was worth a (modern equivalent) of $0.12-17. Even 20-30 years ago, when I was just starting to interact with money enough to have an opinion, I thought it was a hassle to deal with anything smaller than a quarter. The same logic behind getting rid of pennies (they cost more to make than the face value) also supports doing at least nickels.
JohnFen•1h ago
> The same logic behind getting rid of pennies (they cost more to make than the face value)

I've honestly never understood why this is a valid reason to object to the coin. Coins aren't used only once, so that they cost most to make than their face value doesn't seem very important, unless the differential is much, much larger than it actually is.

mkehrt•51m ago
Sorry Europe and Canada, $1 and $2 coins are just absolutely terrible. I never want to have to think about where my change is. Bills are much lighter than coins and stack with the rest of the bills.
ecshafer•2m ago
I want to get rid of bills and move to only coins. We can carry coin pouches and act like a medieval/fantasy novel character.
MrHeather•1h ago
>But with 20 million customers a year, and 17% of them paying with cash, the policy will eventually cost Kwik Trip a couple of million dollars a year, McHugh said.

If we figure two-fifths of cash transactions need to be rounded up and the store is losing an average of 1.5 cents each time, their expected losses would be around $2,000, yeah?

patch_collector•1h ago
20m customers * 17% * 4 cents * 'x' transactions per customer = $136,000 * x

I suppose this makes some sense. In a worst case situation, if every customer makes 10-20 transactions per year, and they always round down the maximum possible amount, they would lose millions per year.

pavel_lishin•1h ago
If we make the maximally pessimistic assumption that every cash transaction would require rounding down four cents, that's 68,000 customers per year times four cents, which is $136,000 per year.

A more reasonable assumption that half of transactions require rounding down cuts that in half, I suppose.

delecti•1h ago
> Kwik Trip, a family-owned convenience store chain that operates in the Midwest, decided to round down cash purchases in stores where it hasn’t been able to find pennies.

They're rounding all cash transactions down to the nearest nickel, so an average of 2 cents per transaction, 3.4 million customers, gives me $68,000 assuming each "customer" makes a single transaction per year. If they mean that there are 20 million unique customers, not 20m transactions, then the a long tail of customers who make frequent small transactions in cash could make their claim check out.

velcrovan•1h ago
Whatever the total ends up being, it's basically a marketing expense that they're electing to make. Probably they do it for a year and then switch to rounding to the nearest nickel, which is what everyone else will be doing.
giantg2•8m ago
I would bet they have a way to write it off.
smelendez•1h ago
They must mean unique customers, not customer transactions.

They have about 878 stores, according to Wikipedia, so if it was transactions, each store would only see about 62 transactions per day, which is way too low.

terminalshort•1h ago
Sure. But multiply by whatever number you want and it is still the same percentage of revenue.
terminalshort•1h ago
I get $20,400 (20m * 17% * 40% * 0.015). But that's still nothing for a company that does 20 million POS transactions a year.
jermaustin1•1h ago
It's cheaper than the credit card fees, that's for sure.
quickthrowman•7m ago
They have 20 million customers, not transactions.
pessimizer•1h ago
What's more contemptible: that CNN refused to spend the 30 seconds that it would take to do the math; or that it interviewed a "spokesman" that also didn't spend 30 seconds to do the math, and was sure that nobody would check?

This is the kind of article that should be written by AI (or not written, really.) If you completely fictionalized the empty interviews, nothing would be lost.

Maybe the "spokesman" has been told to angle for a government subsidy for the inconvenience of losing pennies? And from a gas station, which add that goofy fraction of a cent at the end of their pricing.

drsopp•1h ago
Oo, I'd like to get a roll of these. But I live in Norway.
UltraSane•1h ago
could get rid of dimes and nickels as well.
45764986•1h ago
Yes. I used to work at a movie theater, where all transactions were to the nearest $0.25 because it made it easier for the kids like me behind the counter to count the change and not lose track... seemed sensible at the time and that was 20 years ago.
didgetmaster•1h ago
Many are reporting this as if failing to mint new pennies each year is going to produce some kind of shortage. There are billions of pennies sitting in drawers or jars in homes across the nation (I certainly have one with about a thousand pennies in it).

I doubt anyone who needs a penny will be unable to find one within the next 100 years.

JohnFen•1h ago
Most of the stores in my area have started requiring people to pay with exact change or by card because they can't get pennies to make change.

Personally, I think stores should just start setting prices to avoid the need for pennies, but that would be too easy, I guess.

knollimar•1h ago
If your sales tax rate is 8.875%, what do you price a banana at to avoid change?
randerson•44m ago
This problem is easily solved in countries that use VAT
carlosjobim•12m ago
You price it including sales tax. Sticker price is final price.
ianferrel•1h ago
Setting prices to avoid the need for pennies is probably technically challenging given the combination of requirements to post prices and sales taxes that don't always round the same way.

If the effective tax rate is 7.432%, you can price single items so that the price plus tax ends up in a multiple of $0.05, but if you get a purchase with multiple items, you either need to round somewhere or post prices that are like $9.346263437.

thayne•58m ago
sales tax should be charged per item, not for the total transaction, so that it's possible to list prices that include the sales tax.
JohnFen•52m ago
Good point. I forgot about sales tax. That also seems fixable by adjusting tax law, but adjusting law is always more hassle.
madcaptenor•5m ago
For example, $0.93 * 1.07432 = is $0.9991176 exactly, which rounds to $1.00. But if you buy a dozen such items then $0.93 * 12 * 1.07432 = $11.9894112 exactly, which rounds to $11.99.
c22•1h ago
There's a cash-heavy business I work with that's already having a hard time sourcing the pennies they need. I guess they're all in a jar under your desk.
MangoToupe•1h ago
I have a hard time believing any business relies on access to Pennies when all cash transactions can be rounded to a nickel in some way amenable to both parties. I imagine most customers just don’t give a damn.
c22•38m ago
I'm pretty sure they're considering doing this, but I don't know what all the pros and cons or complexities are.
didgetmaster•7m ago
It seems to me that if there was truly a shortage of pennies, banks could offer to pay 2 cents for every penny someone turned in (still far cheaper than minting a new one) and enough people would pull out their penny jars and cash them in.
mrweasel•1h ago
I don't know how accurate this is, but someone posted on Reddit some Burger King is already having a hard time getting pennies from their bank: https://old.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/1opdlm2/...
embedding-shape•11m ago
> I doubt anyone who needs a penny will be unable to find one within the next 100 years.

Based on my experience with the universe, this ability of being able to find something whenever you need it, only happens until you start expecting it and when you really need it, you're not gonna be able to find it anywhere. Maybe "Murphy's law" isn't what I'm looking for but something similar? For when what you really need is no longer there, universe always works against you? Can't recall.

nayuki•1h ago
We eliminated pennies in Canada in 2012 and the transition was a non-issue. The vast majority of retailers would round cash transactions to the nearest $0.05, but a few would round down to the nearest $0.05 in favor of the customer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_low-denomination...

Canadian cash is better than American cash in several ways: No penny, durable polymer banknotes (instead of dirty wrinkly cotton paper), colorful banknotes (instead of all green) that are easy to distinguish, $1 and $2 coins in wide circulation (instead of worn-out $1 bills).

simonw•1h ago
The linked article raises a few problems that the US could have with that solution:

> Four states - Delaware, Connecticut, Michigan and Oregon - as well as numerous cities, including New York, Philadelphia, Miami and Washington, DC, require merchants to provide exact change.

delecti•1h ago
If the US properly got rid of pennies (instead of Trump just doing another end-run around congress, by ordering the Mint to stop making them, on shaky legal ground), the legislation could easily supersede those state laws.
taylodl•12m ago
Don't you understand it's an emergency?!?! The United States may not be standing next week if we don't stop minting the penny now!!!
throwawaymaths•8m ago
What exactly is the law?

Can you show me the statute requiring the treasury department to coin pennies?

ianferrel•1h ago
This seems like a non-issue as long as they round the price down. Because there's no law that the store can't discount their total by a small amount and then provide exact change.

"Congratulations customer, we have a special coupon today for $0.03 off your purchase. Here's your change :)"

MostlyStable•1h ago
I don't see why you couldn't do it in either case. If you modify the actual price, then you are giving exact change. Why wouldn't round() be as valid a price modification as floor()?
simonw•27m ago
Maybe sales text makes that harder?

I guess you could calculate all of your prices such that, once sales tax is added, they round to a 5 cent value.

simonw•48m ago
> In addition, the law covering the federal food assistance program known as SNAP requires that recipients not be charged more than other customers. Since SNAP recipients use a debit card that’s charged the precise amount, if merchants round down prices for cash purchases, they could be opening themselves to legal problems and fines, said Jeff Lenard, spokesperson for NACS.
giantg2•10m ago
So how do they account for people who use coupons or rewards cards today? Those create a discount that technically result in charging some customers less than others, including SNAP users.
darthcircuit•4m ago
When I lived in Australia, those paying with card were charged the exact amount. Those paying cash would round to the nearest 5 cents, in the customer’s favor. I suspect the same will happen here.
skylurk•1h ago
> require merchants to provide exact change

All the items in my dad's farm shop were priced so they came out to a round dollar amount after tax, and that was 40 years ago.

tempodox•23m ago
But less decent people can’t resist the dark pattern of using $x.99 prices everywhere.
criddell•7m ago
How do they deal with sales tax? Connecticut has a 6.35% sales tax so if I buy something for $1, the total will be $1.0635.
SoftTalker•12m ago
I honestly don't know why we don't get rid of nickels and dimes as well. What can you still buy that costs less than $0.25?
blendergeek•9m ago
Bananas
stetrain•8m ago
Yes, the quarter is pretty much the smallest useful unit of US currency and even that usefulness is shrinking pretty quickly.

If we would adopt a policy of including local sales tax in advertised prices, skipping to whole dollars would be pretty painless.

The main reason to keep at least quarters is all of the various coin-op machines that are still in service.

phantasmish•7m ago
When we got rid of the half-penny, it was worth more in 2024 cents than the dime is now.

We waited so long past when we should have gotten rid of the penny that now a coin ten times as valuable is also worthless enough that we ought to get rid of it.

ahmeneeroe-v2•10m ago
American banknotes have numbers on them to easily distinguish the different values!
ceejayoz•6m ago
Not everyone can see.

Australian notes vary in size for this reason.

rayiner•3m ago
[delayed]
Arubis•5m ago
Which is great if you are fully abled! But for folks for whom sight isn't as strong, additional aids (different colors, different sized banknotes for different denominations) are super helpful.
ajmurmann•3m ago
From dealing with Euro notes, I like being able to look down at the money in the wallet and pull the right notes out based on color. With USD I need to take the bills out of the wallet.
iammattmurphy•2m ago
Even though I never use cash, I’m really not a fan of coins, so I wish we did have $1 bills.
bob1029•1h ago
I wonder how long of not minting new pennies it would take for the average collectible value of the existing stock to reach break-even again.

I feel like pennies fall out of circulation at a very high rate compared to other denominations.

firefax•1h ago
Can any coin collectors let me know what, if any, effect this may have on the collection of steel pennies I have secured in my bunker in the woods?
ireflect•1h ago
Finally!

Here is a delightful article from NYT from last year on this topic. Truly fascinating and bewildering.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/magazine/worthless-pennie...

bigbadfeline•50m ago
> Finally... NYT from last year... Truly fascinating and bewildering

Yeah, really bewildering, happiness inflated by inflation.

thayne•1h ago
I'm a little worried this will encourage vendors to increases prices up to the next 5 cent mark, which will cause inflation that we really don't need more of right now.
timbit42•53m ago
In Canada, most prices still end in 99. You still pay to the cent if you're paying with a debit or credit card, which the vast majority of customers are these days.
hnburnsy•13m ago
Finally, can we next stop making dollar bills and add a two dollar coin.
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