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Meeting notes between Forgejo and the Dutch government via Git commits

https://codeberg.org/forgejo/sustainability/pulls/137/files
62•speckx•1h ago

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moelf•1h ago
the note is written in Typst!
mac-attack•1h ago
If, like me, you are part of the 99% unfamiliar w/ OSPO et al: https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-so...

Good to see forgejo making inroads as someone who also self-hosts it.

bwblabs•1h ago
Very positive to have a governmental hosted git/code platform, although I would still advise Gitea (it's not documented that pick is explored).

I'm a self hosting GoGogs / Gitea user for almost 10 years, I did follow the Gitea fork. However regarding the Forgejo fork: the main contributors stayed with Gitea. The ideologically forked Forgejo made some license changes and hard fork decisions that increased the maintenance burden even more, resulting in missing upstream features and decreased security. Forgejo is more busy managing ideals, than creating software.

krick•1h ago
Thanks. I was wondering what is the status of it, given that Forgejo is being pushed more in the media lately. TBH, I haven't understood the controversy even after reading a couple of recaps. I remember it being about having "suddenly revealed" a couple of years ago that the guy on top is the owner of the trademark. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me, given that he actually was the main contributor and de-facto the leader of the project the whole time.

But then a couple of years have passed, and I started to hear about Forgejo more often only very recently, so I was wondering, if maybe the original project actually had some downfall and questionable technical decisions since. I still haven't switched, and was wondering if I should do so. As far, as I've heard it's still basically a matter of running the different docker container with the same volume, and it should work seamlessly. So what's about this "hard fork" you are mentioning? Did it actually break compatibility?

bwblabs•27m ago
See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45929247#45930310

Forgejo used to be a set of patches applied on Gitea, but they moved to a fork with cherry picking Gitea commits, this is more work. In my view they don't have the development to keep up with Gitea.

homebrewer•3m ago
Have a look at this: https://lwn.net/Articles/963608/
szszrk•1h ago
Why would they rather talk to gitea?

Isn't it sensible for a European government to talk to a player that is being backed by European companies and has a cleaner approach to open source?

I'm not arguing, I'm asking what's the rationale here.

krick•56m ago
It appears to me that the rationale was clearly stated in GP:

> resulting in missing upstream features and decreased security

I.e. it's a matter of technical superiority, which, to me, how the decisions should be made. Not by having friends in the community and all of us being Europeans and so on. (But, of course, I would be glad to hear more particular details/examples of Forgejo lagging behind.)

0cf8612b2e1e•1h ago
The Forgejo people say that it is Gitea who is compromising security [0]. Not involved either way, but I have seen enough rug pulls that I will prefer the product which does not have a commercial offering and financial incentives to sabotage it.

https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/

bwblabs•46m ago
I know the claims, but look at Gitea version v1.24.7 (with some security fixes), released on October 25th, which includes 'fix LFS auth bypass, fix symlink bypass' that was merged on October 20th (#35708). This was fixed in Forgejo on the 25th https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/commit/fa1a2ba669301238... and released on the 26th, although "Originally scheduled for 7 November, the release date of these patches was advanced because a vulnerability had been leaked publicly." (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/branch/forgejo/rele...)

Security wise, Gitea was safer in this case.

Also note the SECURITY.md was deleted: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/commit/277dd02e706b6e51..., there is a security https://forgejo.org/docs/next/contributor/discussions/#secur... but it's a bit harder to find.

The problem is, Forgejo changed the license (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/governance/pulls/24#issuecommen...) and ended up doing a hard fork (https://forgejo.org/2024-02-forking-forward/#consequences-of...) which creates quite some maintenance burden. There used to be a (weekly) gitea chery-pick (e.g. https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/pulls?state=closed&labe...) but the TODO section was getting ever larger, and it seems it stopped in July (week 26).

So they start missing stuff, e.g. features like https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/9552

mfld•31m ago
Based on those meeting notes, the conflict of interest that arises when attempting to add features that compete with paid ones is real. So its that ideology that it is actually needed for a Government user/contributor.
bwblabs•12m ago
Not sure: the government could just buy Gitea Enterprise license right? And thereby not really run true 'open source' software, but it would support the main development behind Gitea.
homebrewer•5m ago
To this day anything of worth that's been added to Gitea is released under MIT. Their business model is: you pay us to develop the features we need, we release them for everybody, which is how their collaboration with Blender has been working thus far. If it's good enough for Blender, who decided to stay with Gitea, it's good enough for me.
kouunji•1h ago
This is brilliant, especially if this kind of approach was adopted in policy development. Chunks of vetted “code” that is transparently shared and can be used by other governments facing similar challenges…imagine…
isodev•56m ago
Indeed. Very refreshing to see this approach. Also, Forgejo is a brilliant choice, I hope the talks continue.
ekjhgkejhgk•45m ago
It's a shame that oliverpool uses the language of "open source software", especially given that forgejo has a Free license.

Words matter, and this would've been a great opportunity to raise awareness to the problem of oppressive software. I think these days most people have an intuition that this is happening.

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