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Only Criminals Don't Want to Be Gassed by the Government

https://www.popehat.com/p/only-criminals-don-t-want-to-be-gassed-by-the-government
49•felineflock•2h ago

Comments

yawpitch•1h ago
Technically these particular criminals — oddly, these days, defined as anyone doing anything that displeases a convicted fraud and rapist — don’t want to be aerosolized.
superkuh•1h ago
We can't gas enemy soldiers, it's war crime, it's a reason for invading foreign countries... but our own people? No problems.
balamatom•1h ago
Who's "we"? Whose own?
Huster•1h ago
QUI?
superkuh•41m ago
Re: "own" people I am referring to the situation in the USA as that is the topic of the post. I thought that would be clear. But more generally I'm referring to signatories of the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1997 like the USA and also followers of the 1925 Geneva Protocol when saying it is illegal and a war crime.
Spivak•1h ago
After this I kinda see why some protesters started wearing the silliest outfits possible.

But man oh man going after anyone with means who tries to help people who the government decides looks like an illegal immigrant is hell of an escalation. Can't have people keeping government accountable.

buckle8017•1h ago
It's important to note that this case isn't about someone helping illegal immigrants.

It's about someone helping people protesting us immigration enforcement.

Helping people commit a crime is itself very often a crime, but protesting isn't a crime, so helping them shouldn't be either.

themgt•1h ago
Not making any comments on this specific case, it may well be total authoritarian garbage. But Popehat is not a reliable commentator. The specific point is "The U.S. Attorney’s Office has charged Orellana with conspiracy to commit civil disorder." The bizarre thing about conspiracy is that, well, I'll quote ... Popehat:

This has led to much comment and confusion. Some of it is contrived and in bad faith, some of it reflects honest concern or confusion. The thrust of it is this: wait, some of the acts on that list aren’t crimes, are they? And aren’t some of them speech protected by the First Amendment?

Political theater and propaganda aside, there are some reasonable questions here: how can a tweet (like act 101) or statements at a press conference (Act 3) be a crime?

The answer is that they’re not crimes — or, at least, that’s not what the indictment claims. They’re overt acts. ...

So you can think of an overt act as a sort of evidentiary requirement, and overt acts as evidence of a criminal conspiracy, not as the crime themselves. These days the custom is for prosecutors to use the overt act requirement to tell the story of the case at length in the indictment. Prosecutors also use it as a gambit to make it more likely that evidence will be admitted at trial (it’s a strong case to admit evidence of something if you’ve called it out as an overt act), and often try to connect every defendant to an overt act, even though that’s not a requirement, just so the defendant can’t say at trial “look, I didn’t even commit an overt act.”

Once you view overt acts as a sort of evidence, it’s easier to see why they don’t have to be crimes themselves, and why they can even be acts that would otherwise be not only legal but protected speech.

Of course like a true principled defender of liberty, Popehat only explains this stuff to his audience when the defendants are people he considers unsympathetic.

https://www.popehat.com/p/overt-acts-and-predicate-acts-expl...

lunias•1h ago
The charges were dropped not too long after this piece was written. It sounded unwarranted and it appears that it was decided to be unwarranted.

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