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France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042
181•nabakin•1h ago

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nabakin•1h ago
Google Translate link:

https://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&hl=en&u=https:/...

Additional context:

https://grapheneos.social/deck/@GrapheneOS/11557599710445618... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115583866253016416 https://grapheneos.social/@LaQuadrature@mamot.fr/11558177594... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115589833471347871 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115594002434998739

ChrisArchitect•39m ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45999024
speedgoose•30m ago
It’s a much better link this time though.
ChrisArchitect•12m ago
Same referenced link as earlier. Same discussion.
Covzire•28m ago
At the end of the day, these attacks on privacy are always in reality for keeping incompetent politicians and bureaucrat's safe from meritocracy.

Built into the onslaught of demands of backdoors are two key ideas: A) That the backdoors will only be exploitable by the authorities and that B) they're even necessary to carry out their work in stopping trafficing.

I think most people know by now the first idea is preposterous. The second idea is too. The EU should focus on better police tools and tactics that detect and track the actual movement of goods.

GuestFAUniverse•23m ago
All politicians and bureaucrats demanding backdoors should go straight into prison -- for endangering national security.
hcal•20m ago
"I think most people know by now..."

Sadly, I don't think that that's true. I've been shocked by the lack of understanding there in groups of technical people who should know better. It's even worse in groups of non technical people. I'm afraid this is an ongoing battle, and every time ideas like this come up from government it's going to be an effort to inform the public.

Currybongos•25m ago
"Democracy"
walletdrainer•23m ago
The claim in the title of the post is not substantiated in any way.

The correct headline here would be ”GrapheneOS worried about France after negative press”

MYEUHD•8m ago
It is in third post in the thread: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775986937247

> Interviewed, she warns that she will “not stop pursuing publishers if links are discovered with a criminal organization and they [GrapheneOS] do not cooperate with justice.”

schoen•1m ago
Did "links" mean "a criminal organization is involved in the project" or "a criminal organization is using the technology"?
kittikitti•22m ago
There were many decades where phones didn't have back doors. Now, it's the opposite case in the most dystopian way. It's concerning that all phones are required to have back doors for law enforcement and the enforcement is severe. I know several people who have a corrupt "cop they know" that they can regularly contact for favors. Why is it so out of the ordinary to distrust law enforcement when they have these tools?
blackoil•19m ago
Before internet on phone, every communication was in plain text, so no need to have a backdoor in phone if you can tap directly into AT&T or Vodafone.
marcinzm•15m ago
> There were many decades where phones didn't have back doors.

Your cell phone provider almost certainly will respond to a valid warrant and wire tap your non e2e encrypted phone call.

I'd be very surprised if the most common mode of remote communication in any time period was not subject to government interception in some format within a short time of becoming such. That includes physical mail, telegrams, landlines, cell phone calls, txt messages, emails, etc.

Referring to "how things used to be" is not in fact helping the case for privacy.

mytailorisrich•6m ago
Of course they will respond to warrants, they have to, and nowadays they have the infrastructure to forward all traffic to law emforcement's servers in real-time.
pelotron•3m ago
I don't think people are arguing against complying with valid warrants. They object to blanket surveillance being done with tools available to any law officer that can be used at any time, warrant or not.
maelito•19m ago
The linked article from Le Parisien (a big French billionaire-owned newspaper) is quite nuanced.

It gives the police's view on narco-trafic crime, but also Graphene's take :

"Criminals and traffickers also use knives." This organization, which is not a company but a foundation, emphasizes that its solution is used by ordinary people who dislike how apps and operating systems handle their data. It adds that if criminals use Google Pixel phones and GrapheneOS, it’s because these solutions work well. But that doesn’t make them accomplices, they assure. "Criminals and traffickers also use knives, fast cars, and cash—things that are also widely used by honest citizens," its representatives note.

And GrapheneOS adds that it protects users from hackers and intrusions by the secret services of totalitarian states. "We consider privacy a human right, and we are concerned about projects like Chat Control (a European bill aimed at detecting child sexual abuse material in messaging services, but which has faced significant criticism) that the French government supports. The invasion of privacy enabled by such legislation would have alarming implications under an authoritarian-leaning government," it argues.

vatsachak•14m ago
"Criminals and traffickers also use knives."

London already did this

foldr•9m ago
Not really? You can buy knives in London, and any laws regulating knife purchases are UK-wide, nothing to do with London specifically.
ForHackernews•19m ago
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115589833471347871

> The FBI ran a sting operation in Europe where they created their own 'secure' phone and messaging platform. Their OS used portions of our code and was heavily marketed as being GrapheneOS or based on GrapheneOS.

So how do we know GrapheneOS itself isn't a honeypot? It's run by a mystery org and heavily marketed as being a secure platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG was a CIA front for 50 years.

victorbjorklund•7m ago
The honeypot run by the FBI was closed source and that's why they could do it. while this is open source, which would make it much harder.
miroljub•15m ago
France is worse than North Korea.
lawn•40s ago
Statements like these show how little you truly know about North Korea.
konmok•13m ago
I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.
alfalfasprout•7m ago
Even if you're a public servant, a backdoor is a big security risk.
jcsager•13m ago
I think EncroChat scared them pas-de-merde, and this may be an overreaction by untutored civil servants.

France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042
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