I see Salvatore has a fork, so they are obviously aware of it. unsure whether theyre proposing the exact same thing without reference or citation…
Both approaches have been researched for a long time now, where HOC's subset is typically referred to as "abstract algorithm". For example, a version of the lambdas calculus where any variable can be used at most once (the "affine lambda calculus"), can be reduced optimally with interaction nets without requiring any bookkeeping.
The novel thing about Salvadori's work is that it develops a new (and better explained) bookkeeping mechanism.
The paper manages to present previous work on Levy's optimal beta reduction in a more streamlined fashion, generalizing duplicators to so-called replicators that avoid the need for separate book-keeping gadgets (like croissants and brackets) . Its author also proves himself to be a skilled programmer in bringing his theory to life with this web based evaluator.
The app contrasts traditional graph-based λ-calculus reduction (which replaces nodes with entire subgraphs) with interaction (which makes only local modifications and hence needs more steps), while showing that semantics is preserved.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46034355
I spent several years' worth of weekends working on this, and I'm glad to see it here on Hacker News.
I started working on this problem when I learned about Lamping's algorithm for optimal lambda reduction [1]. He invented a beautiful algorithm (often referred to as his "abstract algorithm"), which uses fan-in and fan-out nodes to reduce lambda terms optimally (with optimal sharing). Unfortunately, in order to make it fully work, some fans needed to duplicate one another while others needed to cancel one another. To determine this correctly Lamping had to extend his abstract algorithm with several delimiter node types and many additional graph reduction rules. These delimiter nodes perform "bookkeeping", making sure the right fan nodes match. I was dissatisfied with the need for these additional nodes and rules. There had to be a better way.
My goal was to try to implement Lamping's abstract algorithm without adding any delimiter nodes, and to do it under the interaction net paradigm to ensure perfect confluence. I tried countless solutions, and finally Delta-Nets was born. Feel free to ask any questions.
I recently started building a programming language on top of Delta-Nets, called Pur (https://pur.dev/).
Feel free to follow along this journey:
λf.(λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x))
for which the difference with
λf.(λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x) f)
is very clear, whereas with Δ-nets the difference is more subtle. I guess it is because the visualization has more information than with the λ-calculus.
The lambda calculus is an alternate model of computation created by Alonzo Church in the 1930s. It's basically a restricted programming language where the only things you can do are define anonymous functions, and apply those anonymous functions to input variables or the output of other functions.
The Lambda calculus statement And = λp.λq.p q p is more conventionally notated as And(p, q) = p(q(p)).
You can reduce lambda expressions -- basically, this is "Simplifying this program as far as possible" what you expect a good optimizing compiler to do.
When there are multiple possible simplifications, which one should you pick? This is a complicated problem people basically solved years ago, but the solutions are also complicated and have a lot of moving parts. OP came up with a graph-based system called ∆-Nets that is less complicated and more clearly explained than the older solutions. ∆-Nets is a lot easier for people to understand and implement, so it might have practical applications making better performance and tooling for lambda-calculus-based programming languages. Which might in turn have practical benefits for areas where those languages are used (e.g. compilers).
The linked simulation lets you write a lambda calculus program, see what it looks like as a ∆-Net graph, and click to simplify the graph.
It's only tangentially related to OP, but YouTube channel 2swap recently had an interesting video about lambda calculus that you don't have to be an expert to enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcVA8Nj6HEo
qsort•2mo ago
The linked paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2505.20314 claims the squiggles they introduce are apparently a model to solve Levy-optimal parallel reduction of lambda terms.
But the author has no affiliation, it's very weird they're calling this "lambda-reduction" and it heavily smells of AI slop?
I hope I'm wrong but it doesn't look right. Can anyone with expertise in this field chime in?
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danaugrs•2mo ago
Please see my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46069564
arethuza•2mo ago
qsort•2mo ago
We have a paper from someone not working in the field, with no affiliation, and with an abstract that claims to "solve the longstanding enigma with groundbreaking clarity", a sentence never before uttered by a human being in flesh and blood, and that feels like it takes 4 (four) citations to justify that lambda calculus is Turing-complete, a fact that's well-known to every undergraduate student.
I'm sorry if this gives reviewer #2 vibes, but this doesn't look right to me and I'm asking if someone with actual expertise in the field can clarify what's happening.
koolala•2mo ago
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mrkeen•2mo ago
Can't comment on the delta-nets. If you're looking for a real person who's been plugging away at parallel & optimal reduction of lambda terms, this is where to look: https://github.com/VictorTaelin
I don't think "lambda-reduction" is a red flag. The "real" term would be "beta-reduction" (but that's the incumbent algorithm which TFA claims to replace or improve on - so why not give it a new name?)
But if I were to go sniffing for red flags:
From the first commit:
lambdacalc.ts: // The original lambda calculus introduced by Church was the 'relevant' lambda calculus which doesn't allow for weakening/erasure. This is why I add the '+' below to indicate that the lambda calculus started at 1936 but was extended afterwards.
What?
util.ts: Why is this full of Gaussian Elimination of Matrices? The paper doesn't mention it
koolala•2mo ago
anonnon•2mo ago
That was my reaction as well, only ever having heard of β-reduction, α-conversion (to prevent variable collisions), and η-reduction (the logical equivalence of a β-redex of a term and a bound variable with the term itself, provided the variable does not occur free in said term). Sloppy use of nomenclature is absolutely a red flag.
marvinborner•2mo ago
α-conversion is not required in interaction nets. η-reduction is an additional rule not typically discussed, but see for example [2].
[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2505.20314
[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030439750...
anonnon•2mo ago
Which makes the sloppy use of "λ-Reduction" in place of "β-reduction"--the only form of reduction or conversion applied here--even less defensible. Maybe them being non-native English speakers is partly to blame?
qsort•2mo ago
To be transparent: I don't understand this stuff all that well and it's entirely possible I'm missing something, but everything here is weird AF.
- Who is the author? Why he has no affiliation?
- What is the main result of the paper? How does it improve on the state of the art? Even for stuff that's way beyond my pay grade, I can usually tell from the abstract. I'm completely baffled here.
- Why do they introduce graphical notation without corresponding formal definitions?
- Why is it written in this weird style where theorems are left implicit? Usually, there's at least a sketch of proof.
- Why does it not address that the thing they're claiming to do isn't elementary recursive as per https://doi.org/10.1006/inco.2001.2869?
Again, it's entirely possible that it's a skill issue on my part and I'd love to be corrected, but I'm completely baffled and I still have absolutely no idea of what I'm looking at. Am I the stupid one and it's obvious to everyone else?
etiamz•2mo ago
The absence of proofs and benchmarks undermines the paper for me as well. I find it absolutely critical to demonstrate how the approach works in comparison with already established software, such as BOHM [2].
Parallel beta reduction not being elementarily recursive is not a thing to address, nor a thing one can address. Lamping's abstract algorithm already performs the minimal amount of work to reduce a term -- one cannot improve it further.
From my understanding, the paper aims to optimize the bookkeeping overhead present in earlier implementations of optimal reduction. However, as I said, the absence of formal/empirical evidence of correctness and extensive benchmarks makes the contributions of the paper debatable.
[1] https://github.com/etiamz/interaction-net-resources
[2] https://github.com/asperti/BOHM1.1
danaugrs•2mo ago
[1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/143165.143172
[2] https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/96709.96711