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AWS data centers' water use tied to spike in cancer and miscarriages in Oregon

https://techoreon.com/oregon-data-centers-water-use-nitrates-cancer-miscarriage/
45•ashishgupta2209•1h ago

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stingraycharles•48m ago
Ok I don’t know a lot about water purification, but playing the devil’s advocate: isn’t it the responsibility of the water purifiers to get rid of nitrates and ensure the drinking water stays within legal limits?

Or is it somehow a very difficult / impossible process to do this?

dkh•20m ago
Not sure, but we know that it is definitely not AWS’ job to pollute it
yread•18m ago
Apparently, none of the methods using in normal water purification remove nitrates:

https://www.freshwatersystems.com/blogs/blog/how-to-remove-n...

skylurk•9m ago
Those are residential systems. At the municipal level it is more often done with bacteria in large tanks.

It's not unlike brewing beer in that you need to adapt your recipe constantly to account for variations in inputs in order to get a consistent product out the other end.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2019-08/documents/de...

maxerickson•10m ago
People have wells at their homes, their water isn't being purified by someone else. Centralized supplies in the area are going to treat and monitor their water to ensure that it is below the applicable limits.

It's reasonable to treat the aquifer home wells draw from as a public good and prevent contamination of it. Whether Amazon has particular responsibility in this case is a different question than that.

jacquesm•3m ago
It is but if a party mixes in another stream that normally speaking would not have found its way into the water purification system that system may no longer work. Amazon could of course just use closed loop systems like they are required by law to use elsewhere but chose not to.
palindome•47m ago
This article states that wastewater from the center contains nitrates at 56 ppm, but the local wells are testing above 70 ppm. It also targets the vector of contamination as being from percolation to groundwater from water treatment plants, which I'm guessing only a fraction of wastewater has the ability to leak through.

This feels incredibly disingenuous, or at the least, incredibly poor journalism.

u12•32m ago
The original piece by rolling stone describes Amazon's role:

- Experts say Amazon’s arrival supercharged this process. The data centers suck up tens of millions of gallons of water from the aquifer each year to cool their computer equipment, which then gets funneled to the Port’s wastewater system. All of the data center water gets mixed into the dirty lagoon wastewater, which only increases how much water the Port must then discard over the fields. As Greg Pettit, who served at the DEQ for 38 years and led the development of Oregon’s Groundwater Quality, explains, “the more water you put on, the faster you’re going to drive the nitrogen through the soil and down into the aquifer.” -

altairprime•10m ago
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api•20m ago
I’m a dummy: why do data centers have to consume water again?

I have both computers and air conditioning and neither consume water.

I’m assuming of course that evaporation cooling is cheaper and consumes less energy than closed cycle cooling with a forced air heat sink.

re-thc•18m ago
Air cooling doesn’t scale. Try having thousands of computers all in your room.
api•12m ago
Well sure but why does it need to be open cycle and actually consume water? That’s the problem part, not internal water cooling.
jacquesm•6m ago
It absolutely does not have to be open cycle, but that saves some money and externalizes the problem in the form of heating up the ground water.
bayindirh•10m ago
While air cooling doesn't scale, air also is not a great heat carrier when you cram that much power to a small space.

Today's supercomputers (AI or not) can't cool themselves off with air. Too much heat in a too confined space. Direct Liquid Cooling is a must.

However, you can use closed-loop liquid cooling (like Europe), but open-loop is cheaper since it skips the "pump the heat out from water to atmosphere" part and "who cares about the water anyway, there's monies to be made".

Putting money above the environment always makes me angry though. It's like burning the walls of your house to stay warm.

simianwords•13m ago
This article is misleading. The data centers role here was to evaporate a tiny bit of already polluted water and increase the concentration of the pollutant.

The increase is estimated to be around .1% with reasonable assumptions.

The primary driver of pollution was agriculture but the data centers can be attributed to .1% at most. Is it a big deal? Not in my opinion.

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AWS data centers' water use tied to spike in cancer and miscarriages in Oregon

https://techoreon.com/oregon-data-centers-water-use-nitrates-cancer-miscarriage/
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