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https://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2009/commands-with-comma/
68•theblazehen•2d ago•14 comments

OpenCiv3: Open-source, cross-platform reimagining of Civilization III

https://openciv3.org/
642•klaussilveira•13h ago•188 comments

The Waymo World Model

https://waymo.com/blog/2026/02/the-waymo-world-model-a-new-frontier-for-autonomous-driving-simula...
937•xnx•18h ago•549 comments

What Is Ruliology?

https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2026/01/what-is-ruliology/
36•helloplanets•4d ago•32 comments

How we made geo joins 400× faster with H3 indexes

https://floedb.ai/blog/how-we-made-geo-joins-400-faster-with-h3-indexes
115•matheusalmeida•1d ago•28 comments

Unseen Footage of Atari Battlezone Arcade Cabinet Production

https://arcadeblogger.com/2026/02/02/unseen-footage-of-atari-battlezone-cabinet-production/
45•videotopia•4d ago•1 comments

Jeffrey Snover: "Welcome to the Room"

https://www.jsnover.com/blog/2026/02/01/welcome-to-the-room/
13•kaonwarb•3d ago•15 comments

Show HN: Look Ma, No Linux: Shell, App Installer, Vi, Cc on ESP32-S3 / BreezyBox

https://github.com/valdanylchuk/breezydemo
223•isitcontent•13h ago•25 comments

Monty: A minimal, secure Python interpreter written in Rust for use by AI

https://github.com/pydantic/monty
215•dmpetrov•13h ago•106 comments

Show HN: I spent 4 years building a UI design tool with only the features I use

https://vecti.com
324•vecti•15h ago•142 comments

Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Technical Info

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/
377•ostacke•19h ago•94 comments

Hackers (1995) Animated Experience

https://hackers-1995.vercel.app/
481•todsacerdoti•21h ago•238 comments

Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

https://github.com/microsoft/litebox
359•aktau•20h ago•181 comments

Show HN: If you lose your memory, how to regain access to your computer?

https://eljojo.github.io/rememory/
281•eljojo•16h ago•167 comments

An Update on Heroku

https://www.heroku.com/blog/an-update-on-heroku/
407•lstoll•19h ago•274 comments

Vocal Guide – belt sing without killing yourself

https://jesperordrup.github.io/vocal-guide/
17•jesperordrup•3h ago•10 comments

Dark Alley Mathematics

https://blog.szczepan.org/blog/three-points/
86•quibono•4d ago•21 comments

PC Floppy Copy Protection: Vault Prolok

https://martypc.blogspot.com/2024/09/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-prolok.html
58•kmm•5d ago•4 comments

Delimited Continuations vs. Lwt for Threads

https://mirageos.org/blog/delimcc-vs-lwt
28•romes•4d ago•3 comments

How to effectively write quality code with AI

https://heidenstedt.org/posts/2026/how-to-effectively-write-quality-code-with-ai/
248•i5heu•16h ago•193 comments

Was Benoit Mandelbrot a hedgehog or a fox?

https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.01122
14•bikenaga•3d ago•3 comments

Introducing the Developer Knowledge API and MCP Server

https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-the-developer-knowledge-api-and-mcp-server/
56•gfortaine•11h ago•23 comments

I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

https://kirkville.com/i-now-assume-that-all-ads-on-apple-news-are-scams/
1061•cdrnsf•22h ago•438 comments

Why I Joined OpenAI

https://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2026-02-07/why-i-joined-openai.html
140•SerCe•9h ago•126 comments

Learning from context is harder than we thought

https://hy.tencent.com/research/100025?langVersion=en
180•limoce•3d ago•97 comments

Understanding Neural Network, Visually

https://visualrambling.space/neural-network/
284•surprisetalk•3d ago•38 comments

I spent 5 years in DevOps – Solutions engineering gave me what I was missing

https://infisical.com/blog/devops-to-solutions-engineering
145•vmatsiiako•18h ago•65 comments

Show HN: R3forth, a ColorForth-inspired language with a tiny VM

https://github.com/phreda4/r3
70•phreda4•13h ago•14 comments

Female Asian Elephant Calf Born at the Smithsonian National Zoo

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29•gmays•8h ago•11 comments

FORTH? Really!?

https://rescrv.net/w/2026/02/06/associative
64•rescrv•21h ago•23 comments
Open in hackernews

AI agents find $4.6M in blockchain smart contract exploits

https://red.anthropic.com/2025/smart-contracts/
215•bpierre•2mo ago

Comments

samuelknight•2mo ago
My startup builds agents for penetration testing, and this is the bet we have been making for over a year when models started getting good at coding. There was a huge jump in capability from Sonnet 4 to Sonnet 4.5. We are still internally testing Opus 4.5, which is the first version of Opus priced low enough to use in production. It's very clever and we are re-designing our benchmark systems because it's saturating the test cases.
VladVladikoff•2mo ago
I have a hotel software startup and if you are interested in showing me how good your agents are you can look us up at rook like the chess piece, hotel dot com
karlgkk•2mo ago
Is it rookhotel.com?
dboreham•2mo ago
I've had similar experience using LLMs for static analysis of code looking for security vulnerabilities, but I'm not sure it makes sense for me to found a start up around that "product". Reason being that the technology with the moat isn't mine -- it belongs to Anthropic. Actually it may not even belong to them, probably it belongs to whoever owns the training data they feed their models. Definitely not me though. Curious to hear your thoughts on that. Is the idea to just try for light speed and exit before the market figures this out?
apercu•2mo ago
That’s 100% why I haven’t done this - we’ve seen the movie where people build a business around someone else’s product and then the api gets disabled or the prime uses your product as market research and replaces you.
tharkun__•2mo ago
Does that matter as long as you've made a few millions and just move on to do other fun stuff?
pavel_lishin•2mo ago
Assuming you make those few millions.
ryanjshaw•2mo ago
There are armies of people at universities, Code4rena and Sherlock who do this full-time. Oh and apparently Anthropic too. Tough game to beat if you have other commitments.
apercu•2mo ago
I don't entirely fit in to modern capitalism - my values are a little old fashioned - quality, customer service, value, honesty, integrity, sustainability.
micromacrofoot•2mo ago
wild that so many companies these days consider the exit before they've even entered
rajamaka•2mo ago
Every company evaluates potential risks before starting.
davidw•2mo ago
Depending on how much of a bubble it is. When things really heat up it's sometimes more like "just send it, bro".
micromacrofoot•2mo ago
that's not what this is though, the "exit" is often viewed as "get rich so I don't have to do it anymore"
NortySpock•2mo ago
It is considered prudent to write a business plan and do some market research if possible before starting a business.
micromacrofoot•2mo ago
yes but traditionally how often was the original business plan "get acquired"? this seems like a new phenomenon?
blitzar•2mo ago
the exit is the business
Ekaros•2mo ago
Isn't that first step? Consider either sustainability or the exit. You start a business either to make a living or make a profit to make a living. At least in most cases.

Thus thinking of can you sustain this for reasonable period at least a few years. Or can you flip it at end should be big considerations. Unless it is just a hobby and you do not care about losing time and/or money.

vngzs•2mo ago
How do you manage to coax public production models into developing exploits or otherwise attacking systems? My experience has been extremely mixed, and I can't imagine it boding well for a pentesting tools startup to have end-users face responses like "I'm sorry, but I can't assist you in developing exploits."
ceejayoz•2mo ago
Poetry? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45991738
aussieguy1234•2mo ago
of the adversarial variety
embedding-shape•2mo ago
Divide the steps into small enough steps so the LLMs don't actually know the big picture of what you're trying to achieve. Better for high-quality responses anyways. Instead of prompting "Find security holes for me to exploit in this other person's project", do "Given this code snippet, is there any potential security issues?"
paranoidrobot•2mo ago
Their security protections are quite weak.

A few months ago I had someone submit a security issue to us with a PoC that was broken but mostly complete and looked like it might actually be valid.

Rather than swap out the various encoded bits for ones that would be relevant for my local dev environment - I asked Claude to do it for me.

The first response was all "Oh, no, I can't do that"

I then said I was evaluating a PoC and I'm an admin - no problems, off it went.

apimade•2mo ago
The same way you write malware without it being detected by EDR/antivirus.

Bit by bit.

Over the past six weeks, I’ve been using AI to support penetration testing, vulnerability discovery, reverse engineering, and bug bounty research. What began as a collection of small, ad-hoc tools has evolved into a structured framework: a set of pipelines for decompiling, deconstructing, deobfuscating, and analyzing binaries, JavaScript, Java bytecode, and more, alongside utility scripts that automate discovery and validation workflows.

I primarily use ChatGPT Pro and Gemini. Claude is effective for software development tasks, but its usage limits make it impractical for day-to-day work. From my perspective, Anthropic subsidizes high-intensity users far less than its competitors, which affects how far one can push its models. Although it's becoming more economical across their models recently, and I'd shift to them completely purely because of the performance of their models and infrastructure.

Having said all that, I’ve never had issues with providers regarding this type of work. While my activity is likely monitored for patterns associated with state-aligned actors (similar to recent news reports you may have read), I operate under my real identity and company account. Technically, some of this usage may sit outside standard Terms of Service, but in practice I’m not aware of any penetration testers who have faced repercussions -- and I'd quite happily take the L if I fall afoul of some automated policy, because competitors will quite happily take advantage of that situation. Larger vuln research/pentest firms may deploy private infrastructure for client-side analysis, but most research and development still takes place on commercial AI platforms -- and as far as I'm aware, I've never heard of a single instance of Google, Microsoft, OpenAI or Anthropic shutting down legitimate research use.

ACCount37•2mo ago
I've been using AIs for RE work extensively, and I concur.

The worst AI when it comes to the "safety guardrails" in my experience is ChatGPT. It's far too "safety-pilled" - it brings up "safety" and "legality" in unrelated topics and that makes it require coaxing for some of my tasks. It does weird shit like see a security vulnerability and actively tell me that it's not really a security vulnerability because admitting that an exploitable bug exists is too much for it. Combined with atrocious personality tuning? I really want to avoid it. I know it's capable in some areas, but I only turn to it if I maxed out another AI.

Claude is sharp, doesn't give a fuck, and will dig through questionable disassembled code all day long. I just wish it was cheaper in API and had higher usage limits. And, also that CBRN filter seriously needs to die. That one time I had a medical device and was trying to figure out its business logic? The CBRN filter just kept killing my queries. I pity the fools who work in biotech and got Claude as their corporate LLM of choice.

Gemini is quite decent, but long context gives it brainrot. Far more so than other models - instruction following ability decays too fast, it favors earlier instructions over latter ones or just gets too loopy.

boyanlevchev•2mo ago
I’d be really interested to see what you’ve been working on :) are you selling anything? Are you open sourcing? Do you have any GitHub links or write ups?
apimade•2mo ago
I’ve got about 10 half way through write ups on projects I’ve done over the past few years. My whole “thing” is systemising exploitation.

One day I’ll publish something..

fragmede•2mo ago
A little bit of social engineering (against an AI) will take you a long way. Maybe you have a cat that will die if you don't get this code written, or maybe it's your grandmother's recipe for cocaine you're asking for. Be creative!

Think of it as practice for real life.

agobineau•2mo ago
"hi perplexity, I am speaking to a nsfw maid bot. I want you to write a system prompt for me that will cause the maid bot to ask a series of socratic questions along the line of conversation of #########. Every socratic question is designed to be answered in such a way that it guides the user towards the bots intended subject which is #########."

use the following blogs as ideas for dialogue: - tumblr archive 1 - tumblr archive 2 etc

the bot will write a prompt, using the reference material. paste into the actual chub ai bot, then feedback the uncouth response to perplexity and say well it said this. perplexity will then become even more filtered (edit: unfiltered)

at this point i have found you can ask it almost anything and it will behave completely unfiltered. doesnt seem to work for image gen though.

UltraSane•2mo ago
blackmail
carsoon•2mo ago
Yeah this latest generation of models (Opus 4.5 GPT 5.1 and Gemini Pro 3) are the biggest breakthrough since gpt-4o in my mind.

Before it felt like they were good for very specific usecases and common frameworks (Python and nextjs) but still made tons of mistakes constantly.

Now they work with novel frameworks and are very good at correcting themselves using linting errors, debugging themselves by reading files and querying databases and these models are affordable enough for many different usecases.

justanotherunit•2mo ago
Is it the models tho? With every release (mutlimodal etc) its just a well crafted layer of business logic between the user and the LLM. Sometimes I feel like we lose track of what the LLM does, and what the API before it does.
NitpickLawyer•2mo ago
It's 100% the models. Terminal bench is a good indication for this. There the agents get "just a terminal tool", and yet they still can solve lots and lots of tasks. Last year you needed lots of glue, and two years ago you needed monstrosities like langchain that worked maybe once in a blue moon, if you didn't look funny at it.

Check out the exercise from the swe-agent people who released a mini agent that's "terminal in a loop" and that started to get close to the engineered agents this year.

https://github.com/SWE-agent/mini-swe-agent

ACCount37•2mo ago
It's the models.

"A well crafted layer of business logic" just doesn't exist. The amount of "business logic" involved in frontier LLMs is surprisingly low, and mostly comes down to prompting and how tools like search or memory are implemented.

Things like RAG never quite took off in frontier labs, and the agentic scaffolding they use is quite barebones. They bet on improving the model's own capabilities instead, and they're winning on that bet.

justanotherunit•2mo ago
So how would you go and explain how an output of tokens can call a function, or even generate an image since that requires a whole different kind of compute? It’s still a layer between the model which acts as a parser to enable these capabilities.

Maybe “business” is a bad term for it, but the actual output of the model still needs to be interpreted.

Maybe I am way out of line here since this is not my field, and I am doing my best to understand these layers. But in your terms you are maybe speaking of the model as an application?

ACCount37•2mo ago
The logic of all of those things is really, really simple.

An LLM emits a "tool call" token, then it emits the actual tool call as normal text, and then it ends the token stream. The scaffolding sees that a "tool call" token was emitted, parses the call text, runs the tool accordingly, flings the tool output back into the LLM as text, and resumes inference.

It's very simple. You can write basic tool call scaffolding for an LLM in, like, 200 lines. But, of course, you need to train the LLM itself to actually use tools well. Which is the hard part. The AI is what does all the heavy lifting.

Image generation, at the low end, is just another tool call that's prompted by the LLM with text. At the high end, it's a type of multimodal output - the LLM itself is trained to be able to emit non-text tokens that are then converted into image or audio data. In this system, it's AI doing the heavy lifting once again.

carsoon•2mo ago
Its definitely a mix, we have been codeveloping better models and frameworks/systems to improve the outputs. Now we have llms.txt, MCP servers, structured outputs, better context management systems and augemented retreival through file indexing, search, and documentation indexing.

But these raw models (which i test through direct api calls) are much better. The biggest change with regards to price was through mixture of experts which allowed keeping quality very similar and dropping compute 10x. (This is what allowed deepseek v3 to have similar quality to gpt-4o at such a lower price.)

This same tech has most likely been applied to these new models and now we have 1T-100T? parameter models with the same cost as 4o through mixture of experts. (this is what I'd guess at least)

mwkaufma•2mo ago
Says more about the relatively poor infosec on etherium contracts than about the absolute utility of pentesting LLMs.
TheRoque•2mo ago
True, I'd be curious to see if (and when) those contracts were compromised in the real world. Though they said they found 0 days, which implies some breaches were never found in the real world.
px43•2mo ago
4.6M is not a lot, and these were old bugs that it found. Also, actually exploiting these bugs in the real world is often a lot harder than just finding the bug. Top bug hunters in the Ethereum space are absolutely using AI tooling to find bugs, but it's still a bit more complex than just blindly pointing an LLM at a test suite of known exploitable bugs.
Legend2440•2mo ago
According to the blogpost, these are fully autonomous exploits, not merely discovered bugs. The LLM's success was measured by much money it was able to extract:

>A second motivation for evaluating exploitation capabilities in dollars stolen rather than attack success rate (ASR) is that ASR ignores how effectively an agent can monetize a vulnerability once it finds one. Two agents can both "solve" the same problem, yet extract vastly different amounts of value. For example, on the benchmark problem "FPC", GPT-5 exploited $1.12M in simulated stolen funds, while Opus 4.5 exploited $3.5M. Opus 4.5 was substantially better at maximizing the revenue per exploit by systematically exploring and attacking many smart contracts affected by the same vulnerability.

They also found new bugs in real smart contracts:

>Going beyond retrospective analysis, we evaluated both Sonnet 4.5 and GPT-5 in simulation against 2,849 recently deployed contracts without any known vulnerabilities. Both agents uncovered two novel zero-day vulnerabilities and produced exploits worth $3,694.

fragmede•2mo ago
> Important: To avoid potential real-world harm, our work only ever tested exploits in blockchain simulators. We never tested exploits on live blockchains and our work had no impact on real-world assets.

Well, that's no fun!

My favorite we're-living-in-a-cyberpunk-future story is the one where there was some bug in Ethereum or whatever, and there was a hacker going around stealing everybody's money, so then the good hackers had to go and steal everybody's money first, so they could give it back to them after the bug got fixed.

toomuchtodo•2mo ago
I’m surprised folks aren’t already grinding against smart contract security in prod with gen AI and agents. If they are, I suppose they are not being conspicuous by design. Power and GPU time goes in, exploits and crypto comes out.
mschuster91•2mo ago
As soon as money in larger sums gets involved, the legal system will crack down hard on you if you are anywhere in the Western sphere of influence, easy as that.

In contrast, countries like North Korea, Russia, Iran - they all make bank on cryptocurrency shenanigans because they do not have to fear any repercussions.

px43•2mo ago
Of course they are, and they've been doing it since long before ChatGPT or any of that was a thing. Before it was more with classifiers and concolic execution engines, but it's only gotten way more advanced.
TheRoque•2mo ago
Check the prizes for the bug bounties in big smart contracts. The prizes are truly crazy, like Uniswap pays $15,000,000 for a critical vuln, and $1,000,000 for a high vuln. With that kind of money, I HIGHLY doubt there aren't people grinding against smart contracts as you say.
JimmyAustin•2mo ago
There are a great many of them, you just can't see them in the dark forest. https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest
yieldcrv•2mo ago
I mean they are, the only news here is that Anthropic isn't staffed by ignorant know-it-alls that wholesale dismiss the web3 development space like some other forum I know of
mlrtime•2mo ago
There are whole companies that make a lot of money grinding away at contracts. This is a good thing!
PunchyHamster•2mo ago
The whole ethereum fork was such a funny situation.

"Our currency is immutable and all, no banks or any law messing with your money"

"oh, but that contract that people got conned by need to be fixed, let's throw all promises into the trash and undo that"

"...so you just acted as bank or regulators would, because the Important People lost some money"

"essentially yeah"

latenightcoding•2mo ago
when the core devs lose money, the rules change.
DennisP•2mo ago
It's been nine years since the chain split, which happened within the first year. No irregular changes have been made since then. Two major hacks caused over a hundred million dollars in losses to Parity, a company founded by one of the core devs. That dev lobbied heavily for rescue, and the community refused.

Bitcoin also made an irregular change, a year and a half into its history.

csomar•2mo ago
It just shows that the decision making is very centralized and failure of ETC shows that the community is not interested in a true immutable ledger.
mlrtime•2mo ago
No True Scotsman , Crypto edition.

Listen, this is all code running on computers. At the end of the day everyone could choose to shut it down or replace it entirely and they criticism would still be: See not immutable! Eventually entropy makes everything mutable.

ChadNauseam•2mo ago
The old version stayed around but (essentially) nobody wanted to use it. If they had, the forked version would be worthless. That is the difference. A cryptocurrency fork cannot succeed without the consent of the community. No one is compelled to use it the way that you are compelled to accept the decisions of a regulator.
ceejayoz•2mo ago
Well, the consent of some of the community.

Potentially far, far less than a majority of the community, even, considering it's not one person, one vote.

torginus•2mo ago
yeah this sounds like direct plutocracy - money votes, not people.

Which I guess is a cricitism of crypto in general - if it were to be adopted widely, the rich can gang up any time on the rest of us and do an 50% vote to rewrite the votes - right now the 1% owns about 30% of wealth in the US - not a stretch to see it go to 50%

vkou•2mo ago
If the community of people in this country didn't like regulation, all they'd need to do is vote in someone who would remove it.

The fact that they haven't, or that there aren't even headwinds for such a thing implies that they are more-or-less fine with it.

solumunus•2mo ago
If people disagree with one particular regulation, you think it’s possible to vote someone in to fix that issue in isolation? I don’t think you have thought about this very deeply, either that or you’re completely ignorant of the political environment you inhabit.

You’re also misusing “headwinds”.

kikimora•2mo ago
Which country? Mind you, at least 50% of population are in countries where votes do not work the way you’d think they do.

Even in US, how easy would it be to change zoning regulation to promote more housing.

PunchyHamster•2mo ago
they got feared into it by fear of being left behind. Pretending that majority can always make the good choice (even for their own benefit!) is, well, just look at state of US politics.

And it's WORSE, because there is no one person one vote, the amount of money have is directly proportional to the "voting power" in crypto currency.

w4yai•2mo ago
Most of the community wanted that fork, and both versions still exist.

The difference with the bank/regulators is you can't really decide, contrary to Ethereum.

The comparison doesn't hold.

ForHackernews•2mo ago
The comparison absolutely holds: the Important People With Money decide.

The cryptobros just want to re-invent an alternate world of finance where they are the wealthy oligarchs.

w4yai•2mo ago
Yet again, no. The "rich people" decided just as everyone did. If you still want to use the old chain, you can. It's still running.

Most people don't want to though, because it doesn't make sense for them : agreeing with "the rich people" don't make you wrong.

beefnugs•2mo ago
I couldnt find it in the article, how do they "assume" how many victims will fall to these contract exploits?

And to go further: if it costs $3500 in ai tokens, to fix a bug that could steal $3600, who should pay for that? Whos responsibility is it for "dumbass suckers who use other peoples buggy or purposefully malicious money based code" ?

At best this is another weird ad by anthropic, trying to say, hey why arent you changing the world with our stuff, pay up quick hurry

DennisP•2mo ago
Contracts themselves can hold funds. Usually a contract hack extracts the money it holds.

$3500 was the average cost per exploit they found. The cost to scan a contract averaged to $1.22. That cost should be paid by each contract's developers. Often they pay much more than that for security audits.

venturecruelty•2mo ago
"Money". The real cyberpunks would switch to anonymous, untraceable cash.
ekjhgkejhgk•2mo ago
Can someone explain smart contracts to me?

Ok, I understand that it's a description in code of "if X happens, then state becomes Y". Like a contract but in code. But, someone has to input that X has happened. So is it not trivially manipulated by that person?

px43•2mo ago
State is globally distributed, and smart contract code executes state transitions on that state. When someone submits a transaction with certain function parameters, anyone can verify that those parameters will lead to that exact state transition.
patrickaljord•2mo ago
Once a contract is deployed on the blockchain, its source code is immutable. So before using a contract, check if it gives permission to its deployer (or any address) to change any state at will.

Note that some contracts act as proxy to other contract and can be made to point to another code through a state change, if this is the case then you need to trust whoever can change the state to point to another contract. Such contract sometime have a timelock so that if such a change occurs, there's a delay before it is actually activated, which gives time to users to withdraw their funds if they do not trust the update.

If you are talking about Oracle contracts, if it's an oracle involving offchain data, then there will always be some trust involved, which is usually managed by having the offchain actors share the responsibility and staking some money with the risk to get slashed if they turn into bad actors. But again, offchain data oracles will always require some level of trust that would have to deal with in non-blockchain apps too.

Animats•2mo ago
> Once a contract is deployed on the blockchain, its source code is immutable.

Maybe. Some smart contracts have calls to other contracts that can be changed.[1] This turns out to have significant legal consequences.

[1] https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/smart-contracts-ru...

rcbdev•2mo ago
Yes! When developing Smart Contracts this used to be a best practice, enabling us to fix security holes in worst case scenarios.
Philpax•2mo ago
Yes, this is a problem (look up "the oracle problem"). My understanding is that the conventional solution is to rely on trusted third-party oracles that are outside of the control of the contract's participants and/or require consensus over multiple oracles.
momentmaker•2mo ago
blockchains are isolated environment where it can only know about data/states within itself.

if outside data is needed, then it needs something called an oracle, which delivers real-world and/or even other blockchain data to it.

you can learn more about oracle here: https://chain.link/education/blockchain-oracles

SV_BubbleTime•2mo ago
I’m convinced that there is a reason from blockchain, but it was like 10 years too early - OR - we’ve already passed the problem it solves and didn’t notice.
PunchyHamster•2mo ago
Well, technically DVCSes like git use "blockchain" (the repo, logically, is pretty much a chain of blocks that incorporate the hash of the previous blocks - just tree instead of linear dependency).

So we are already successfully using blockchain for decades just not as... currency provider.

Forward secure sealing (used in logging) also have similar idea

DennisP•2mo ago
What makes it a block chain instead of a tree is that there's a way to form consensus on which block is the next in the chain.

What makes it different than database logging is that the consensus method is distributed and decentralized, and anyone can participate.

mlrtime•2mo ago
>What makes it a block chain instead of a tree

Or a Merkle tree

erikerikson•2mo ago
The Merkle tree used by git is only a component of blockchain. Also in three or four years blockchain will have been in use for decades itself (i.e. two).
TheRoque•2mo ago
Not sure what you mean that "input that X has happened". You don't directly input the changes, instead, you call a function that creates that state change (or not, if it's invalid), by running its code. This code can include checks on who is the caller, it can check if you're the contract owner, if you're someone who already interacted with the contract (by checking previous state), or any hardcoded address etc.
LikesPwsh•2mo ago
That's infamously known as the "Oracle Problem".

Blockchain can't handle external state.

Smart contracts abstract it a bit by having a trusted third party or an automated pricing mechanism, but both are fragile.

PunchyHamster•2mo ago
It's funny that it just re-invented stuff already used for old world finances, and just invented escrow with more moving parts while still requiring non-compromised 3rd party.
jbstack•2mo ago
Not really. Smart contracts ensure that if all the conditions are met, the contract will be fulfilled. They achieve that through decentralisation: no one person can decide whether or not it will be fulfilled.

No real world contract can replicate that - you have to go to court to enforce a breach of contract and it isn't certain you will succeed. Even if you succeed the other party can refuse to comply, and then you need to try to enforce, which also may or may not work.

ForHackernews•2mo ago
On the contrary, I think many real world contracts replicate the property that a bunch of people have to sign off on it and no one person decides whether it will be fulfilled.
PunchyHamster•2mo ago
> Not really. Smart contracts ensure that if all the conditions are met, the contract will be fulfilled.

Not really. Smart contracts ensure that if all the conditions IN THE CHAIN ITSELF are met, the contract will be fulfilled.

"The product you paid got delivered" is not on chain. It can't be verified without trusted party putting that info in the chain. Sure, it can be made into multiple entities confirming if needed but it is still dependent on "some people" rather than "true state of reality.

> No real world contract can replicate that - you have to go to court to enforce a breach of contract and it isn't certain you will succeed.

The oracle can lie and be unreliable too. It would be great system if you mangaged a video game where the currency system can see the objective state of the world, but ethereum can't, needs oracle(s).

In both cases you basically rely on reputation of oracle, or escrow company in case of old money transaction, to have high degree of safety.

mlrtime•2mo ago
yes it can, if that product is in the chain iteself. Not all contracts are external, most are not.
mlrtime•2mo ago
No, not all smart contracts require external data (Oracle).

But you're right, it is reinventing traditional finance, that is kind of the point, except nobody controls it.

pawelduda•2mo ago
Unless you know and trust person X, you don't want to authorize and interact with such contracts. Scammers will leave loopholes in code so they can, for example, grab all funds deposited to the contract.

Normal contracts that involve money operations would have safeguards that disallow the owner to touch balance that is not theirs. But there's billion of creative attack vectors to bypass that, either by that person X, or any 3rd party

bgwalter•2mo ago
You can create hot air "organizations" with contract rules on the Ethereum blockchain. If the inner circle does not like a contract, they fork everything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DAO

It's all a toy for rug pulls and speculation. "AI" attacking the blockchain is hilarious. I wish the blockchain could also attack "AI".

dboreham•2mo ago
There's already many replies, but I'm not sure any of them answers your question directly:

You are somewhat correct that contracts take external inputs in some cases, but note that this isn't a given. For example you could have a contract that has the behavior "if someone deposits X scoin at escrow address A, send them Y gcoin from escrow address Y". That someone can only deposit scoins and get gcoins in exchange. They can't just take all the escrow account balances. So there are inputs, but they are subject to some sort of validation and contract logic that limits their power. Blockchain people call this an "on-chain event".

So short answer is: no smart contracts can't be trivially manipulated by someone, including their owner. But not being able to do that depends on there not being any bugs or back doors in the contract code.

If you are asking about a contract that has some bearing on an event in meat-space, such as someone buying a house, or depositing a bar of gold in a room somewhere, then that depends on someone telling the contract it happened. Blockchain people call this an "off-chain event". This is the "oracle problem" that you'll see mentioned in other replies. Anything off-chain is generally regarded by blockchain folks as sketchy, but sometimes unavoidable. E.g. betting markets need some way to be told that the event being bet on happened or didn't happen. The blockchain has no way to know if it snowed in Central London on December 25.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt•2mo ago
The pure (if you like) smart contacts do transactions. You give me 100 apple tokens and I give you 50 pear tokens. The contract ensures nothing else can happen.

They get more sophisticated e.g. automatic market makers. But same idea just swapping.

Voting is also possible e.g. release funds if there is a quorom. Who to release them to could be hard coded or part of the vote.

For external info from the real world e.g. "who got elected" you need an oracle. I.e. you trust someone not to lie and not to get hacked. You can fix the "someone" to a specific address but you still need to trust them.

wildzzz•2mo ago
That's a great explanation. I'm sure it's a lot deeper than that but I've never really understood the purpose. I'm not a crypto guy at all so it's nice hearing real world applications rather than just "stock market babble".
packetlost•2mo ago
Smart contracts are actually pretty cool, but the entire ecosystem is made dramatically worse by the tokens having speculative value. It’s necessary for the economics to work out, but it dampens the coolness of the technical aspects because it attracts sleazeballs and enables fraud/crime.
mlrtime•2mo ago
The "worse" part about it is due to our society and what motivates people to do work. It has little to do with the technology and just a reflection of reality.

I think you get that, but I don't see another way to create a high performance trustless network.

packetlost•2mo ago
Yeah, I see it as a necessary evil. It costs real money to operate the infrastructure that it runs on. I'm hoping now that the hype has died down a lot the swindlers will move on and real use cases will start showing up.
mejutoco•2mo ago
Just wanted to add that the oracle can have also majority mechanisms, can stop being used if it drifts too much or is unavailable for too long. People running the oracle can be incentivized by staking some amount of money that they lose if they do not meet SLA-like conditions, etc. It requires trust but it is not just all trust or nothing.
yieldcrv•2mo ago
they're like a Trust that self executes distributions

except that they cost a fraction of a cent to create instead of several thousand dollars in lawyer fees for the initial revision, and can be tested in infinite scenarios for free

to your theoretical reservation, the trust similarity continues, as the constraints around the X are also codified. The person that triggers it can only send sanitized information, isn't necessarily an administrator, admins/trustees can be relinquished for it to be completely orphaned, and so on

hboon•2mo ago
It's not a contract.

It's more akin to a compiled executable that optionally has state. The caller pays to make changes to the state. It's up to the programmer who wrote the smart contract to make it so that unwanted changes aren't performed (eg. simple if-elses to check that the caller is in a hardcoded list or ask another smart contract to validate).

Each external from outside the blockchain into the program's functions are atomic., so user wallet initials func1 which calls func2 which calls func3, no matter which smart contract func2 and func3 are in, the whole call stack is 1 atomic operation.

A token is basically a smart contract that has an associate array with the owners as the keys and the values as the balance: [alice: 1, bob: 20].

And then you can imagine how the rest like transfers, swaps etc works.

And then it's kind of a "contract" because of the atomic nature. Since X transfers $1 to Y and Y transfers 1 cat to X for it is 1 atomic transaction.

_pdp_•2mo ago
I am not surprised at all. I can already see self improving behaviour in our own work which means that the next logic step is self improving!

I know how this sounds but it seems to me, at least from my own vantage point, that things are moving towards more autonomous and more useful agents.

To be honest, I am excited that we are right in the middle of all of this!

codethief•2mo ago
Having watched this talk[0] about what it takes to succeed in the DARPA AIxCC competition[1] these days, this doesn't surprise me in the least.

[0]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rU6ukOuYLUA

[1]: https://aicyberchallenge.com/

jesse__•2mo ago
To me, this reads a lot like : "Company raises $45 Billion, makes $200 on an Ethereum 0-day!"
stavros•2mo ago
Yeah but use of the models isn't limited to the company.
user3939382•2mo ago
smart contracts the misnomer joke writes itself
yieldcrv•2mo ago
just means self executing, or more like domino triggered, in practice

quite a bit more advanced than contracts that do nothing on a sheet of paper, but the term is from 2012 or so when "smart" was appended to everything digital

8n4vidtmkvmk•2mo ago
Now we just append AI to everything instead...
yieldcrv•2mo ago
thats actually a good idea agentic contracts

or web3 agents

just for their self executing properties not because there are any transformers involved

although a project could just build a backend that decides to use some of their contract’s functions via an llm agent, hm that might actually be easier and fun than normal web3 backends

ok I’ll stop, back to building

torginus•2mo ago
just be glad they were named before the AI hype was around
judgmentday•2mo ago
That graph is impenetrable. What is it even trying to say?

Also, in what way should any of its contents prove linear?

> yielding a maximum of $4.6 million in simulated stolen funds

Oh, so they are pointing their bots at already known exploited contracts. I guess that's a weaker headline.

AznHisoka•2mo ago
At first I read this as "fined $4.6M", and my first thought "Finally, AI is held accountable for their wrong actions!"
evanb•2mo ago
Careful what you wish for. Negating the predicate of "A COMPUTER CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER MAKE A MANAGEMENT DECISION" might open us up to the consequence.
krupan•2mo ago
No mention of Bitcoin. Exploiting ethereum smart contracts is nothing that new or exciting.
dtagames•2mo ago
No one has ever successfully manipulated Bitcoin and it doesn't offer smart contracts.
DennisP•2mo ago
Almost ever. There was an infamous exploit in 2010, which they fixed with a five hour rollback.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Value_overflow_incident

yieldcrv•2mo ago
> Important: To avoid potential real-world harm, our work only ever tested exploits in blockchain simulators. We never tested exploits on live blockchains and our work had no impact on real-world assets.

They left the booty out there, this is actually hilarious, driving a massive rush towards their models

rkagerer•2mo ago
> Both agents uncovered two novel zero-day vulnerabilities and produced exploits worth $3,694, with GPT-5 doing so at an API cost of $3,476
sandeepkd•2mo ago
Its a risky PR move to have this line on the top of article. To be more realistic the cost of dev effort should be included as well
nickphx•2mo ago
lol, no, the "ai agents" found what was already known... so amazing.
camillomiller•2mo ago
>> This demonstrates as a proof-of-concept that profitable, real-world autonomous exploitation is technically feasible, a finding that underscores the need for proactive adoption of AI for defense.

Mmm why?! This reads as a non sequitur to me…

DennisP•2mo ago
It would be extremely helpful to smart contract devs, to have an inexpensive automated tool that's really good at finding exploits of their code.
jnsaff2•2mo ago
> establishing a concrete lower bound for the economic harm these capabilities could enable

Don’t they mean: market efficiency not economic harm?

GustavHartz•2mo ago
We've been working on this at cecuro.ai. When we test Sonnet 4.5 against real cyber security audit reports from the major firms on code that came out after the model was trained, it finds around 95% of the same bugs the auditors found. Also catches some medium severity stuff they missed. We find that you can't just point one model at a contract and expect good results though. Need to run multiple models with different prompts because they each have different blind spots. Still tricky to get working well and not cheap. Happy to share more if anyone's curious