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The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

http://fxrant.blogspot.com/2025/12/the-mad-men-in-4k-on-hbo-max-debacle.html
96•tosh•1h ago

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walthamstow•48m ago
Damn, that's terrible. Reminds me of The Simpsons being cropped into 16:9 for Disney and obscuring the joke that all the Duff brews come from one pipe.
haunter•35m ago
You can switch to the original 4:3 though

Edit: and I'm getting flagged lol

The Simpsons > Details > Remastered aspect ratio > Off https://i.imgur.com/pQohgQp.jpeg

crtasm•29m ago
That option wasn't added until some time later.
maxerickson•29m ago
I've had people make the Duff argument about real beers. Putting bad batches in a different can is a great way to do quality control on your main brand though.
thrdbndndn•48m ago
Great article.

Can someone explain what was wrong with that _Friends_ screenshot? I can't tell.

i_am_proteus•46m ago
There's a window-hole in what should be an exterior apartment wall facing a hallway. Right side of the screen.
swores•45m ago
They never intended to show anything to the right of the doorframe on TV, so there's a random sign on the wall and a big hole in the wall (which makes sense if you are a camera crew wanting to film a sitcom in the apartment, that doesn't make so much sense in the fictional world that anyone would have a big rectangle cut out of the wall between their apartment and the hallway).
piva00•44m ago
There's a cut out on the wall for cameras on a different angle.
TechRemarker•43m ago
haha. Take a look at the massive unfinished window into the hallway =).
albert_e•39m ago
I think it is the open hole in the wall next to the door -- which no real apartment would have. I think that part was meant be cropped in the final frame, maybe?
meindnoch•22m ago
New York apartments rarely have holes in their walls opening to the hallway.
h1fra•43m ago
Great article, I really thought it was a recropping like friends (and many others). So weird that they just forgot about CGI.
globular-toast•31m ago
It's even weirder when you consider how big of a deal this was for Star Trek only a few years ago (well maybe more than a few...). You would have thought people in the business would know about this.
afavour•26m ago
Everyone is underpaid and overworked. All things considered the companies probably think it’s worth the trade off, they’ll just fix it and republish. Might even end up with more viewers in the end! How many people have learned that Mad Men is on HBO Max as a result of this?

Execs have less and less shame as the years go on. Pride in artistic endeavour? That’s not going to make the shareholders happy.

gchamonlive•10m ago
Also cuts down on QA costs, offloading the burden of finding and cataloguing issues to the user. Since this is a monopoly, as you can't have multiple vendors competing for the best 4k restoration, and you can't have multiple streaming services competing for quality, they don't consider brand impact with low quality products because that's meaningless in this case.
embedding-shape•24m ago
> You would have thought people in the business would know about this.

People in the business world seems to only know business, and that's the limit of what they care about. Place these people into the arts, and you quickly see how important it is to have at least a single ounce of care when you work on projects where you want some level of quality.

But I think HBO, Netflix and most TV/streaming services are run by business-people still, as they think it's a numbers game, not a arts game. Eventually someone will understand and take the world by storm, but seemingly not yet.

globular-toast•36m ago
It's weird that they'd have the crew in the frame anyway. Was it really not possible to have them out of frame? I guess being able to "do it in post" makes people lazy?
fredoralive•28m ago
Possibly some issues with the hose length and the ability control the flow? Or perhaps it’s just an off the shelf up chuck chucker that doesn’t have a longer hose?
liampulles•28m ago
Probably more a function of "shit happens" when doing something new (making and using a "vomit hose") in a big, multi-functional project (shooting a TV show).
the_af•27m ago
If it can be fixed in post, what's the problem? The only flaw here is that they completely screwed up and forgot post for these scenes (in the remaster).
lou1306•26m ago
I guess the crew has to stay pretty close to the end of the hose or it becomes hard to time the... flow... correctly. Likely, they still had to process the frames anyway to make the... flow... look like it comes out of Sterling's mouth, not from the side of his face, so it was basically no extra cost.
actionfromafar•23m ago
They were out of frame. Out of the 4:3 frame.
dghf•18m ago
But it was never intended for 4:3. They were always in frame, just digitally removed.
thejohnconway•11m ago
No the original was 16:9, you can see they have been digitally removed in the shots from the Blu-ray.
alexpotato•29m ago
A side story on the techniques for restoration:

I'm guessing about 10-15 years ago I was watching a documentary on the re-release of Ken Burns Civil War.

They were highlighting the digital tools they were using to restore and enhance the original film capture for new streaming services etc.

They showed one of the restorers using a fascinating tool where one window was a video feed of the original film's "first pass" to digital. One of the landscape scenes had a small smudge in the upper right hand corner so the restorer pauses the feed, goes back frame by frame and then was able to drag and drop the frame into another window where he used Photoshop like tools to fix everything and then drag and drop it back into the "feed". Seemed VERY efficient and shows how good tools can really accelerate a workflow.

I'm not sure if the above scene is in the below quick documentary but there are a lot of other cool "behind the scenes of restoration" moments: https://www.pbs.org/video/civil-war-restoring-civil-war/

Dumblydorr•26m ago
Unrelated: does anyone else experience huge lag with HBO streaming app? It’s easily the slowest I regularly use on Samsung smart tv.
etothet•22m ago
On an Apple TV with first gen Homepods connected it is incredibly laggy. Specifically rewind and fast forward take sometimes up to 10 seconds to respond. And even then they never seem to get me to the correct location. It’s pretty maddening.
mapontosevenths•23m ago
The did something similar to Buffy The Vampire Slayer when "upgrading" it to HD. It lost all/most of the color grading and was cropped to 16:9.

Some night scenes now take place during daytime and you can see booms and camera operators in many shots.

It never even got a blu ray release. The only way to watch it at home without egregious errors is still DVD as far as I know.

liampulles•14m ago
I have the PAL DVD release, and I have to say the color grading has never been great, although it obviously at least has the correct effects applied.
liampulles•16m ago
Fun fact: The X-Files production team foresaw the coming of 16:9 home entertainment, so they made some effort (increasing with later seasons) to try and "protect" a 16:9 frame, which allowed for an unusually good Blu-ray restoration. [https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7499/look-inside-the-files...]

I learned this from the older X-files DVDs, which have some unusually good special features.

rob74•14m ago
Stories like this regularly make the rounds when movies or shows that the original creators put a lot of love and thought into are "remastered" on the cheap. The last one I saw was the story about the garish colors in digital versions of old Pixar movies - amongst others, they intentionally exaggerated green hues in the digital original to compensate for the transfer process to analog film stock which was less sensitive to green. When Disney transferred the movies to digital formats and streaming, they took the digital original 1:1, so the colors now look off (https://animationobsessive.substack.com/p/the-toy-story-you-...)

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