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MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

https://github.com/minio/minio/commit/27742d469462e1561c776f88ca7a1f26816d69e2
96•hajtom•1h ago

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baq•52m ago
please copy and paste outrage from previous discussions to not waste more time

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45665452

dardeaup•51m ago
Hopefully no one is shocked or surprised.
giancarlostoro•47m ago
I'm both shocked and not surprised. Lots of questions: Are they doing that bad from the outcry? Or are they just keeping a private version and going completely commercial only? If so, how do they bypass the AGPL in doing so, I assume they had contributions under the AGPL.
0x073•32m ago
"For enterprise support and actively maintained versions, please see MinIO AIStor."

Commercial only, they will replace the agpl contributions from external people. (Or at least they will say that)

Kerrick•19m ago
I don't understand. They've seen the contributions. How can they possibly do a clean-room implementation to avoid copyright infringement? (Let alone how tangled up in the history of the codebase they must be...)
ecshafer•48m ago
Is this just the open source portion? Minio is now a fully paid product then?
0x073•33m ago
"For enterprise support and actively maintained versions, please see MinIO AIStor."

Probably yes.

johnmaguire•48m ago
Any good alternatives?
pezgrande•45m ago
This one is usually the most recommended: https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/
mlnj•45m ago
Have heard good things about Garage (https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/).

Am forced to use MinIO for certain products now but will eventually move to better eventually. Garage is high on my list of alternatives.

itodd•44m ago
seaweedfs
xrd•44m ago
I saw this referenced a few days ago. Haven't investigated it at all.

https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/

Edit: jeez, three of us all at once...

ecshafer•42m ago
A lot of them actually. Ceph personally I've used. But there's a ton, some open source, some paid. Backblaze has a product Buckets or something. Dell powerscale. Cloudian has one. Nutanix has one.
coredog64•23m ago
I've been looking at microceph, but the requirement to run 3 OSDs on loopback files plus this comment from the docs gives me pause:

`Be wary that an OSD, whether based on a physical device or a file, is resource intensive.`

Can anyone quantify "resource intensive" here? Is it "takes an entire Raspberry Pi to run the minimum set" or is it "takes 4 cores per OSD"?

Edit: This is the specific doc page https://canonical-microceph.readthedocs-hosted.com/stable/ho...

dardeaup•17m ago
Ceph has multiple daemons that would need to be running: monitor, manager, OSD (1 per storage device), and RADOS Gateway (RGW). If you only had a single storage device it would still be 4 daemons.
dardeaup•20m ago
Ceph is awesome for software defined storage where you have multiple storage nodes and multiple storage devices on each. It's way too heavy and resource intensive for a single machine with loopback devices.
dathinab•8m ago
ceph depends a lot on your use case

minio was also suited for some smaller use cases (e.g. running a partial S3 compatible storage for integration tests). Ceph isn't really good for it.

But if you ran large minio clusters in production ceph might be a very good alternative.

import•31m ago
Seaweed and garage (tried both, still using seaweed)
phpdave11•11m ago
If you just need a simple local s3 server (e.g. for developing and testing), I recommend rclone.

rclone serve s3 path/to/buckets --addr :9000 --auth-key <key-id>,<secret>

SteveNuts•10m ago
RustFS is good, but still pretty immature IMO
lousken•3m ago
wasn't there a fork with the UI?
tiernano•48m ago
Is this not the best thing that could happen? Like now its in maintenance, it can be forked without any potential license change in the future, or any new features that are in that license change... This allows anyone to continue working on this, right? Or did i miss something?
Weryj•32m ago
Pretty sure you can’t retroactively apply a restrictive license, so that was never a concern.
IgorPartola•9m ago
You can, sort of, sometimes. Copyleft is still based on copyright. So in theory you can do a new license as long as all the copyright holders agree to the change. Take open source/free/copyleft out of it:

You create a proprietary piece of software. You license it to Google and negotiate terms. You then negotiate different terms with Microsoft. Nothing so far prevents you from doing this. You can't yank the license from Google unless your contract allows that, but maybe it does. You can in theory then go and release it under a different license to the public. If that license is perpetual and non-revokable then presumably I can use it after you decide to stop offering that license. But if the license is non-transferrable then I can't pass on your software to someone else either by giving them a flash drive with it, or by releasing it under a different license.

Several open source projects have been re-licensed. The main thing that really is the obstacle is that in a popular open source or copyleft project you have many contributors each of which holds the copyright to their patches. So now you have a mess of trying to relicense only some parts of your codebase and replace others for the people resisting the change or those you can't reach. It's a messy process. For example, check out how the Open Street Maps data got relicensed and what that took.

jagged-chisel•31m ago
> ... it can be forked without any potential license change in the future ...

It is useful to remember that one may fork at the commit before a license change.

Havoc•47m ago
I thought they were pivoting towards close it and trying to monetize this?

That got backlash so now it’s just getting dropped entirely?

People get to do whatever they want but bit jarring to go from this is worth something people will pay for to maintenance mode in quick succession

ocdtrekkie•32m ago
They cite a proprietary alternative they offer for enterprises. So yes they pivoted to a monetized offering and are just dropping the open source one.
itopaloglu83•23m ago
So they’re pulling an OpenAI.

Start open source to use free advertising and community programmer, and then dumps it all for commercial licensing.

I think n8n is next because they finished the release candidate for version 2.0, but there are no changelogs.

embedding-shape•32m ago
> I thought they were pivoting towards close it and trying to monetize this?

That's literally what the commit shows that they're doing?

> *This project is currently under maintenance and is not accepting new changes.*

> For enterprise support and actively maintained versions, please see MinIO SloppyAISlop (not actual name)

theideaofcoffee•46m ago
Oh, no! Anyway... Maybe it's for the best seeing as it's AGPL. I won't go within 39.5 feet of infected software like that, so no loss for me.
nkmnz•19m ago
Downvoted because nobody knows how far a distance 39.5 feet is.
stronglikedan•9m ago
they do if they know the shoe size of the person who measured it
bananapub•39m ago
for those looking for a simple and reliable self hosted S3 thing, check out Garage . it's much simpler - no web ui, no fancy RS coding, no VC-backed AI company, just some french nerds making a very solid tool.

fwiw while they do produce Docker containers for it, it's also extremely simple to run without that - it's a single binary and running it with systemd is unsurprisingly simple[1].

0: https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/

1: https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/cookbook/system...

snickell•35m ago
Any efforts to consolidate around a community fork yet?
Dachande663•33m ago
Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple S3-wrapper to a standard dir? I've got a few apps/services that can send data to S3 (or S3 compatible services) that I want to point to a local server I have, but they don't support SFTP or any of the more "primitive" solutions. I did use a python local-s3 thing, but it was... not good.
mr-karan•31m ago
You could perhaps checkout https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/
dardeaup•22m ago
I've done some preliminary testing with garage and I was pleasantly surprised. It worked as expected and didn't run into any gotchas.
import•30m ago
rclone serve s3, could be.
frellus•26m ago
Check out from nvidia, aistore: https://github.com/NVIDIA/aistore

It's not a fully featured s3 compatible service, like MinIO, but we used it to great success as a local on-prem s3 read/write cache with AWS as the backing S3 store. This avoided expensive network egress charges as we wanted to process data in both AWS as well as in a non-AWS GPU cluster (i.e. a neocloud)

aranw•30m ago
I've been using the minio-go client for S3-compatible storage abstraction in a project I'm working on. This new change putting the minio project into maintenance mode means no new features or bug fixes, which is concerning for something meant to be a stable abstraction layer

Need to start reconsidering the approach now and looking for alternatives

frellus•25m ago
https://aistore.nvidia.com
cantagi•22m ago
They have been removing features from the open source version for a while.

The closest alternative seems to be RustFS. Has anyone tried it? I was waiting until they support site replication before switching.

candiddevmike•19m ago
It sucks that S3 somehow became the defacto object standard interface, the API is terrible IMO. Too many verbs, too many unknowns with support. WebDAV isn't any better (and at least S3 is JSON...), but I feel like we missed an opportunity here for a standardized interface.
tlarkworthy•9m ago
?

Its like GET <namespace>/object, PUT <namespace>/object. To me its the most obvious mapping of HTTP to immutable object key value storage you could imagine.

It is bad that the control plane responses can be malformed XML (e.g keys are not escaped right if you put XML control characters in object paths) but that can be forgiven as an oversight.

Its not perfect but I don't think its a strange API at all.

dbacar•15m ago
Disgusting. Build a product, make it open-source to gain traction, and when you are done completely abandon it. Shame on me that I have put this ^%^$hit on a project and advocated it.
stronglikedan•8m ago
That can happen to any project, hence why Plan B should be implemented right alongside Plan A whenever humanly possible.
uroni•11m ago
I've been working on https://github.com/uroni/hs5 as a replacement with similar goals to early minio.

The core is stable at this point, but the user/policy management and the web interface is still in the works.

rowanseymour•10m ago
What's the simplest replacement for mocking S3 in CI? We don't about performance or reliability.. it's just gotta act like S3.
rodwyersoftware•6m ago
localstack, 100%
onei•5m ago
I've used localstack in the past which worked pretty well.

https://github.com/localstack/localstack

atemerev•8m ago
How it makes sense? If they are no longer open-source S3 and cloud only, I'll just use S3.

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