I'd note that RFK Jr.'s very own aunt was lobotomized then hidden away for something that sounds a lot like autism if diagnosed today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bentinck,_5th_Duke_of_Por...
> The tunnels under the estate were reputed to have totalled 15 mi (24 km), connecting various underground chambers and above-ground buildings. They included a 1,000 yd (910 m) long tunnel between the house and the riding house, wide enough for several people to walk side by side. A more roughly constructed tunnel ran parallel to this for the use of his workmen.
> The duke was highly introverted and well known for his eccentricity; he did not want to meet people and never invited anyone to his home. He employed hundreds through his various construction projects, and though well paid, the employees were not allowed to speak to him or acknowledge him.
> He ventured outside mainly by night, when he was preceded by a lady servant carrying a lantern 40 yards (37 m) ahead of him. If he did walk out by day, the duke wore two overcoats, an extremely tall hat, an extremely high collar, and carried a very large umbrella behind which he tried to hide if someone addressed him.
> He insisted on a chicken roasting at all hours of the day and the servants brought him his food on heated trucks that ran on rails through the tunnels.
Rosemary's story is so tragic and heartbreaking. Her life was filled with what would today be considered multiple instances of medical malpractice, and heartless, unethical behavior on the part of the Kennedy family. Her father didn't even tell her mother about the lobotomy until after it was done.
Incredible that she lived to the age of 86. The nuns taking care of her might have actually cared, which could hardly be said of the Kennedy family.
JFK was great in some ways, but that political dynasty had serious problems even before RFK Jr.
The Wikipedia article paints this as partly driven by the political aspirations of the patriarch. I suspect this is yet another example of we'd be in much better shape if the US didn't have quasi-royalty, nor families aspiring to that.
Do the CDC numbers include all the fake autism cases created by fake autism treatment providers to defraud government benefit programs[1]? They necessarily would, because payments are based on cases, which means the CDC numbers are fake, and anything derived from fake numbers is fake, to include the "epidemic."
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/29/us/fraud-minnesota-somali...
I can't think of any reason all of this fraud isn't also endemic to every one of the other 49 US states. So whatever CDC numbers one might cite are entirely unreliable.
I think very few people actually consider it a single condition. To the point that most people that I know, including myself, say that we are "somewhere on the spectrum" or some variant of that.
This isn't a post diagnoses understanding either, it is well understood by anyone I have talked to about this in the last 10ish years? (maybe less, I cant really pinpoint that).
While I feel like there is value for professionals to be more specific about it, from an everyday person prospective I feel like "Autism" is well enough understood to be not just a single thing. Enough so that some phrasing along the lines of "my tism is..." is somewhat commonplace.
The real problem is anti-science people joining the conversation, but splitting up Autism is not going to change that.
Edit: To be very clear here I am not trying to say that most people in general are saying "I am somewhere on the spectrum". I am saying that most people I know which a larger portion of the people I regularly talk to are also diagnosed.
Couldn't disagree more. The "autism is my super power" movement is borderline offensive to people dealing with severe or low functioning autism.
Dismissive, uninformed comment.
And again my point is that contrary to what the article seems to be trying to make, no one really considers Autism a single thing.
Still this “everyone is a bit autistic” stuff is kind of absurd. It diminishes the condition.
> most people that I know, including myself, say that we are "somewhere on the spectrum"
No one says “everyone I know is a bit paraplegic”, because that would be insane. Yet people glibly call themselves autistic as if having geeky hobbies or a job in software is the same as being diagnosable as having an autism spectrum disorder.
Again nowhere am I saying that.
Maybe I could have worded it much better but I never meant to imply, it happens that like myself a larger portion of the people I hang out with are diagnosed which for me works with just saying "most people" but I can see why that was not clear.
RFK ordered all MDs to report all autistic people to the federal government. I know how history works, and know exactly where that leads.
So yeah, self-treat in ways that make me effective. And so far, washed out of college but working as a senior systems engineer. I say I'm doing rather well.
My dad also had the similar affect as well. He was too old to be diagnosed by medical establishment.
And if "no one considers autism a single thing" THEN WHAT IS EACH THING? lol
We don't have a name for every color on the light spectrum, nor can the average person tell you what's different about #FF0000 vs #FE0000. They still exist!
In what way is GP being dismissive, or taking the "autism is my super power" position with that comment?
I doubt those types are saying much of anything. Its more likely their caregivers.
Again the old name for those of us who think its more a super power used to be called Aspergers syndrome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome . And we got folded in to Autism Spectrum Disorder, as did a whole host of other diagnostics.
And we have been found to be more truthful, better at focusing, can hyperfocus, notice more details than NT's, and plenty more. We're only a disease cause we're the minority.
Yeah and this is why Autism shouldn't be treated as a single condition, even if the cause is the same the outcome is meaningfully different than someone who cannot function.
That's my main concern about trying to split up autism. It's all well and good for study purposes, but for "can I get my insurance to pay for my kid's occupational therapy" purposes I'm really skittish about such a breakup. All the sudden my kid might have "omegaism" or whatever and boom, it's uncommon for them to need OT so insurance won't cover it.
My point is, if it is commonplace to refer to Autism as a spectrum we are already acknowledging that it is not a single thing.
Which seems to be the entire basis of this article while also mixing in the rambling of someone anti-science that frankly won't change even if it was split up.
As science learns more (or I learn more) I reserve the right to change my position.
In the 1990s we drugged kids (especially young boys) who weren't able to sit still with ADHD medication. Every parent's kid suddenly had ADHD, people would talk about their quirky behavior as "oh its my ADHD".
This generation it's autism, and it's likely over-diagnosed just as much as ADHD. You do it in your own post, attributing a defined, binary, thing as "I am somewhere on the spectrum". If anything, your own post demonstrates the anti-scientific (pop-sci) instagramification of mental illness. You either have some quantity of illness or you don't. You can't just ascribe some quirky, possibly somewhat anti-social, behavior as being on the spectrum. Sadly, this is often used like ADHD self-diagnoses to gain sympathy or social leeway. Much to the disservice of people suffering from the condition.
It comes as no surprise that psychiatry, and medicine in general, is suffering from a massive reproducibility crisis. It's not anti-science to call into question the amount of bunk, p-hacked, corporate funded garbage coming out of even the highest tier of medical grade journals.
At the same time, there’s the neurodiversity movement that seeks to destigmatize and depathologize these diagnoses for both high functioning and more profoundly disabled individuals. Just because you don’t conform to the norm - and ASD is heavily defined in relation to deviation from an underspecified norm - does not make you “mentally ill.” So we have autism as an identity additional to a diagnosis, which I think can be really empowering for people, and also cause confusion and frustration for others. It’s a reclaiming of “disability” from the paternalistic and abusive medical and pseudoscientific practitioners that have been harming autistic people for decades.
I can't read the article because of the paywall, but I assume that it is referring the fact that these two extremes need to be treated completely differently and even discussing ASD is made remarkably difficult because these extremes are the same diagnosis.
I'm not entirely sure why this comment is apparently so controversial, but I think people are confused by this. My reading of it was that you meant "most autistic people you know", and you yourself are. Maybe I'm wrong?
Now yes there are people who are undiagnosed for whatever reason (including some people I know that don't see the point after being diagnosed with ADHD, I know personally I had to have this conversation with my psychologist to determine if there was a point to actually do it at that point) that use that phrase and it gets a bit tricky.
But nowhere am I trying to imply that *everyone* is saying this.
When I tell this to people they understand immediately that I am in fact on that "spectrum".
Oh but they do. the "spectrum" is by how socially acceptable someone's autism is.
I intuitively understand this but has it been clinically defined?
Hmm, what are these 'colors' in your framing? I don't think anyone feels that ASD comprises totally distinct, 'disjoint' descriptions. It's true that there are multiple parameters along which one may vary, but that's true of any human syndromic disease, and probably true for any human disease, in general.
Here's a popular press article that talks about a very recent framing of autism that uses clinical and genetic data:
https://www.simonsfoundation.org/2025/07/09/new-study-reveal...
- Group together "rainman" type people (and people with even harder limitations) with "not overly social/minor social impairments"
- The current overmedicalization and diagnostication of everyday life wanting to label every minor difference between people
- Current "education was too hard, let's build accommodations" which is good but not when you can get any diagnosis by shopping for it
I get what you mean but I feel compelled to point out that colors are on a spectrum. A partition can be a quantized spectrum.
But many without autism don't have that need for precision so they get confused by mixing up later word use in different contexts like you did there.
[edit] To be more specific, this is a lazy take and is about as insightful as saying 'cancer should not be treated as a single condition' which for HN is about as meaningful as saying 'the CPU and the GPU may both contain chips, but they should not be programmed the same.'
Disorder by definition means that we do not consider it to have a single cause or issue, and we acknowledge that we don't understand it well enough to give it a single name, cause, or objective diagnostic criteria.
When we know what causes something, or how to strictly and objectively identify it, then we usually call it a disease.
This is well understood by medical professionals, and a normal part of their job, and not confusing for the vast majority of people diagnosed with some disorder or other.
This article is utter trash. As per the usual for the economist
Are you shy, slightly socially awkward and very intelligent? You must be "on the spectrum".
The most intelligent, knowledgeable, socially tuned and socially integrated people I see online claim to be autistic. I swear it is absolute nonsense.
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