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Wall Street races to protect itself from AI bubble

https://rollingout.com/2025/12/05/wall-street-protects-itself-ai-bubble/
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dentemple•54m ago
Don't worry, once the Wall Street tap runs dry, the U.S. government will be more than happy to step in and bail out the AI corps. at the taxpayer's expense.
jgalt212•43m ago
You're being downvoted, but a number of AI actors certainly taking actions to become "too big to fail".
vondur•33m ago
I said the same thing on a different post and people downvoted it. The current administration believes that the US can't fall behind China in this AI arms race. So don't expect anything too drastic to happen to the large players in the game.
zerosizedweasle•28m ago
Maybe, but a clear Republican bailout of AI might wipe them out for several election cycles / foreseeable future. Big tech isn’t popular, AI isn’t popular and bail outs aren’t popular
nebula8804•9m ago
What evidence do you have that that's going to be the case? I ask because my entire life, I've seen terrible things done by the Republican Party. And regular people get really hurt. For example, the great financial crisis. Yet, a little bit of time passes, and that 30-some-odd percent goes right back to voting for them.
malka1986•24m ago
China made the us fall in kinda the same trap that the us madeade ussr fall into with the moon race.
daedrdev•29m ago
With what money? US debt is owned by mostly US residents. US defecit is already absurdly high. Not to mention the looming social security failure
stvltvs•20m ago
You print more money. The only limit is the inflation you create.
sethops1•29m ago
See: the Genesis Mission https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/11/laun...

I complained about it already https://tickerfeed.net/articles/whitehouse-genesis-mission-b...

roadside_picnic•21m ago
It's national defense! Imagine if China had more slop than us!
seanmcdirmid•19m ago
China is focusing heavily on AI applications. They have basically decided already to deal with their coming demographic bust with robuts/AI rather than immigration. Its not even about military applications, the US is just afraid that China will shoot so far ahead of us economically that they won't have any leverage over it in the future at all.
nebula8804•11m ago
There's a lot of nonsense that comes out on both sides of the aisle. I wish there was a solid single source of truth to figure out what's really going on in China and what's really going on behind the scenes in the U.S.

Some talk about how China has some strategic issues, such as do they have a reliable supply of food and energy? (Zeihan etc.)

I guess the energy portion is being solved with renewables. And I guess if they solve the issue of demographic collapse with robots and AI, that's something.

But really, if there's less people and they're getting older, what's the point? What are they really working towards?

This question is also becoming a problem post-Trump immigration ban in the U.S.

Who knows what the U.S.'s demographics are going to look like now?

Trump inherited a U.S. with some of the best demographics of all nations on the planet, especially in the West. And he managed to throw that in the garbage.

HPsquared•11m ago
We cannot allow a slop gap!
dataviz1000•19m ago
> Don't worry, once the Wall Street tap runs dry, the U.S. government will be more than happy to step in and bail out the AI corps. at the taxpayer's expense.

I have a brilliant idea. Why not start this now?

The US government will give every child born $1000 in money in order to hand it to the small number of families who own 70% of equities in order to purchase equities the child can't touch for 18 years. That is US Government -> child -> rich person who currently owns the equity, although the rich person gets the cash in hand the child has to wait 18 years to sell the equity.

Where does the US Government get this $1000 per child from? Borrow it, adding to the $38,000,000,000,000 in national debt.

Here is the interesting part of my brilliant plan. That child will inherit, calculated per capita, $111,000 in debt the moment she is born. That child will be responsible, calculated per capita, for ~$3,000 a year in interest on that debt.

In order to sell the idea, every time the US Government gives $1000 to a child to purchase stocks I own, I will give $250 to another child to purchase stocks I own. Let's do the math: $1000 profit - $250 loss + $250 profit = $1000 profit. Best part is the media will run this as the leading news story for 3 days making me look like God.

It is a brilliant idea.

glitchc•12m ago
I love it, except there's no point in providing debt to a party with no ability to pay for ~18 years.
bdangubic•6m ago
due to ever-increasing income inequality the legal age for being able to have a job will be reduced to 6 in the coming years :)
Retric•8m ago
Subtract GDP growth and it’s slightly negative, meaning simply borrowing more money and the at current rates the debt to GDP ratio decreases over time. That’s why it’s gotten so huge, kicking it down the road turns it into a smaller problem.

We could argue about the risk if things start to fail, but in an emergency the US could change its constitution and abandon its debt.

jbverschoor•49m ago
In the meantime, people who are actually working with it only become more bullish, and see a world where most people are first willing, and later basically required to pay 20-200 per month
thatguy0900•37m ago
This really doesn't make sense to me. I see no world where Ai is so useful that the common man is willing to pay 100+ a month for it, but it's also a world where the common man has a job. There's too many people for everyone to have some niche job the Ai can't do.
bojan•29m ago
And if such a job would carry a work week of, say, 5 or 10 hours?
MSFT_Edging•25m ago
Then they would be paid for 5-10 hours and have to ask the government for benefits.

In what world would a corporation pay a full yearly salary for 1/8th to 1/4 the labor hours? The current world already looks to labor as the juiciest place to cut cost for the profit margin.

HPsquared•25m ago
That's not enough time to maintain skill. Experience would build very slowly in people working so intermittently.
thatguy0900•17m ago
Someone is working 20 hours a month and paying for a 100$ subscription on top of bills? And this isn't a isolated case, this is the expectation for the normal person? Is the job supposed to be real or is the government just giving out universal basic income while being petulant about people not working at all
websiteapi•32m ago
would you bet $10,000 that the super majority (80% or greater) of current users of free APIs will be using a paid (20-200) one per month? if so let's set something up. we can set the time limit at January 1st, 2028.
alpha_squared•30m ago
Someone "actually working with it" checking in, if that matters at all to this conversation. I'm very bearish on the industry even if I think the tech is going to stick around.

If we separate the tech from the industry, it's clear one has some value (albeit very hard to say just how much) and the other is a lot of smoke and mirrors. This is not a healthy space.

mhog_hn•25m ago
Imagine throwing orders of magnitude more of compute at things - we may have things like a monte carlo tree search for LLM outputs using an LLMJudge that prunes the tree.
LaurensBER•15m ago
+ we can continuously let a LLM monitor our log files and alert/propose/fix issues 24/7. If intelligence becomes cheap enough this would be an enormous market.

Having a LLM run as "fact checker" /coach for everything that you write also would be a great addition.

roadside_picnic•16m ago
> who are actually working with it only become more bullish

I have a feeling the word "actually" is doing a lot of work with this. I shipped AI facing user products a few years ago, then worked in more research focused AI work for awhile (spending a lot of time working with internals of these models). Then seeing where this was all headed (hype was more important than real work) decided to go back to good ol' statistical modeling.

Needless to say, while I think AI is absolutely useful, I'm bearish on the industry because current promises and expectations are completely out of touch with reality.

But I have a feeling because I'm not currently deploying a fleet of what people are calling "agents" (real agents are still quite cool imho), you would describe me as not "actually" using AI.

maplethorpe•2m ago
Can I ask what you do? I suspect there is a type of job that AI excels at, and it makes everyone in that job unreasonably bullish on AI.
jtf23•44m ago
profits have not materialized, nor can they: machines can only transfer value, they cannot create it
ubercow13•41m ago
What?
jtf23•38m ago
it turns out capitalists do not understand economics
mikepurvis•17m ago
Two responses to this:

- Most participants in the economy are creating very little real value. They're shifting things around or temporarily solving problems that are highly localized to the organization they're in.

- There's a lot of unrealized value stored in the corpus of knowledge that AI companies have ingested— the millions of webpages, the scanned books, wikipedia, the blogs and Q&A sites. So even if AI companies are not creating new insights, just the act of locating, filtering, and summarizing knowledge that was already present somewhere in the world is valuable. Indeed, one could use this same argument to declared that Google in 1999 was creating no value, which is demonstrably untrue.

encyclopedism•43m ago
What bubble? Where is it? I haven't seen it! Here, try my SOTA AI toothbrush.
lambdaone•41m ago
This makes the hair rise up on the back of my neck; it reminds me the sub-prime crisis - "they can't all default at once!"
JohnMakin•21m ago
It does look and feel very similar - particularly the risk shedding and assumptions made there
thewebguyd•21m ago
> "they can't all default at once!"

Narrator: As it turns out, they can.

The difference now is instead of banks holding the risk, they are now the safest portion of the loans. The risk is now moved to private credit, so if this bubble bursts, they will panic sell other assets to cover the AI losses, which will crash unrelated sectors as well.

Since the now bad AI loans can't be sold, they need liquidity form elsewhere to cover. AI bursting means other S&P 500 stocks, treasuries, gold, crypto, commercial real estate will all go down with it.

Ekaros•11m ago
I wonder how much other bad private credit there is. If you want liquid funds, rolling it all over time and time again might stop working... Maybe it is really time to clean it all up.
marcosdumay•15m ago
Yes. And they always start trying to diversify only after they work years forcing everything to be correlated to it...

The .com bubble wasn't like this, but it was a minority between bubbles.

vb-8448•4m ago
One thing it's not clear to me: the amount of money is colossal, where the one who are supposed to refund banks will get the money?