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Schizophrenia sufferer mistakes smart fridge ad for psychotic episode

https://old.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1pc7999/my_schizophrenic_sister_hospitalised_herself/
94•hliyan•2h ago

Comments

ifh-hn•1h ago
An edge case of "smart" tech...

As an aside, having scroll that thread, Reddit is a shambles. There's more deleted comments and related justification comment than actual comments. Make for a jarring experience.

t0lo•1h ago
Absolutely- I can't understand why it still has such a loyal base considering how low the quality is- I see more insightful discussion on facebook half the time
danielbln•25m ago
Because Reddit != Reddit and each subreddit has their own audience and moderation style. Most of Reddit might be a cesspit, but that doesn't mean all of it is.
brendoelfrendo•15m ago
It's a legal advice subreddit; they tend to have stricter moderation because their primary goal is to get the OP an answer to their question or advice on how to consult a legal professional about their issue. Posts like the one linked here tend to be a magnet for people more interested in the drama than the actual legal principles, so they end up being a wasteland of removed comments.
GCUMstlyHarmls•1h ago
I read [Unauthorized Bread (exerpt) by Doctoro](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-...) this year which was pretty approachable read on the topic. Not severely interesting or mind blowing if you're already here hopefully but did make me wonder how I could sneak it into my mums reading list.
LtWorf•57m ago
I borrowed from the library last month. It was thought provoking and I think it's aimed at younger people than myself.
jamesbelchamber•1h ago
We really need some legislation that outlaws this sort of control over devices we buy.

If someone wants to install an advert app on their fridge (I assume in exchange for money) then fair enough.

If I buy a tv I shouldn't just have to accept that, now or in the future, the manufacturer will sell advertising on it.

duskdozer•28m ago
Already done! You agreed to it in the Terms and Conditions - you did read them, right?

But yeah I agree with you, there needs to be a way for people to get away from ads without relying on the existence of some benevolent alternate company

moffkalast•10m ago
Despite what the average multinational will have you believe, terms and conditions usually don't hold up in court. If they write some illegal bullshit into it, it's just that, bullshit.
ares623•1h ago
Careless people
emsign•1h ago
I knew using ad blockers is good for your mental health but this is plain creepy and unfair. Especially when advertisers know more and more about you as more and more everyday items are spying on you and serve you ads without any additional core functionality. Appliances don't get better, they are getting creepier to increase the return of investment for the manufacturers. The schizophrenics are just more sensitive to this enshittification of everyday items because they are quick to assume deliberate agency in chaotic events where there is none. But this is changing, for everybody.

The problem is today you can't really tell anymore whether this "Carol" the ad was addressing is the advertiser knowing that it's your name or just a random "clever" reference to a character in the TV show, I mean even after getting the resolution that it's the latter, nobody can be sure if this excludes the former, like the algorithm decided to send Carol an ad about a show with a Carol in it. It's not good to have to make up your mind about it even when you are not suffering from schizophrenia.

It's annoying, it's intrusive, it wastes your time and ruins your day. And it makes you hate your new tech, makes you hate tech in general, because it's a big "fuck you we can do what we want with you now" towards the customers. No wonder Luddites are making a come back, that's just self-defense.

bell-cot•1h ago
IANAL, but could the ADA [1] or equivalent laws be applied to such a situation?

If it was up to a jury, the creepy ads might not get much sympathy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Ac...

partomniscient•46m ago
Given the situation occurred in the UK, I doubt it.
bfkwlfkjf•43m ago
Stallman was right.
globular-toast•42m ago
The gut reaction of too many geeks is "I can't believe you'd install a smart fridge in your home". But we need to think about this differently. Imagine if vehicles had no mandatory safety checks. How many people know anything about car safety? You'd get people barrelling down the highway with broken suspension, bald tyres or worse. We are the professionals. It's our responsibility to keep the public safe and stop shit like this happening. The software engineers who implemented this at Samsung should be struck off. Well, we could start by having something to be struck off from. I'm done with assuming individual developers will be scrupulous. We need real consequences to come from higher up. It's way past the point that this is fucking with people's lives.
duskdozer•11m ago
It also falls apart over when more and more products become "smart" to the point where you can't really even buy one without things like this, like TVs now or cars for that matter. I'm dreading the day where I end up forced to watch an ad before starting my car.

I do think some kind of ethics training/education/licensing/organization is long overdue for software devs.

ErroneousBosh•9m ago
> You'd get people barrelling down the highway with broken suspension, bald tyres or worse.

You have this in most of the US, and people rail against any attempt to bring it in because they're frightened that garages will not give them their cars back if they think it's got something wrong with it.

I've seen people driving cars in the US that you wouldn't even be able to get a scrapyard to take in the UK, they'd tell you to just sweep it into a bag and put it in the recycling.

metalman•41m ago
it should read, "Schizophenic correctly diagnoses societies ongoing pschcotic episode through the phenominon of refrigerator advertising"
Jordan-117•40m ago
"I just saw something incredibly cool! A big floating ball that lit up with every color in the rainbow, plus some new ones that were so beautiful I fell to my knees and cried."

"Was it out in front of Discount Shoe Outlet?"

"Yeah..."

"They have a college kid wear that to attract customers."

Lapsa•38m ago
sexy fridges https://store.steampowered.com/app/1035840/Cold_Hearts/
saltysalt•31m ago
Everyday we take one step closer to a PKD envisioned future.
gilleain•27m ago
> “I’ll sue you,” the door said as the first screw fell out. Joe Chip said, “I’ve never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it.”

From Ubik

saltysalt•24m ago
That scene is exactly what I had in mind :-)

Such a wonderful book.

madaxe_again•25m ago
Better tip the smart door, never know what’ll happen if there’s a fire someday.

Speaking of, better tip the toaster.

saltysalt•8m ago
The Internet of [spiteful] Things.
Lapsa•22m ago
there hasn't been a single schizophrenia diagnosis for a born blind person
GaryBluto•22m ago
When I first saw somebody complain about the Pluribus smart fridge ad I immediately knew something like this was going to happen. How did Apple/Samsung not think this through?
xioxox•20m ago
Although adverts on the fridge are absolutely terrible, is this genuine? Here's a reddit post some time before that suggesting the scenario: https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1ow6cpu/appa...
GaryBluto•12m ago
Just because someone suggested a possible scenario could happen and it then did happen isn't all that suspicious to me.
shlip•1m ago
Every time I see an article on HN about a "smart" device doing shitty things, my first thought is why would someone (especially from this crowd, who's supposed to be enlightened about the state of enshittification of tech) buy any IoS device in the first place ?

What good could you expect from an appliance that's permanently communicating with its non-giving a f*ck about users, profit driven, immoral and unethical mothership ? Would you really expect your life to be better after buying such a product ?

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