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Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-bluetooth-headphone-jacking-a-key-to-your-phone
148•AndrewDucker•3h ago

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swores•1h ago
I don't have time right now to watch the video and will be coming back to do so later, but here's a couple of snippets from the text on that page that made me want to bother watching (either they're overhyping it, or it sounds interesting and significant)

> The identified vulnerabilities may allow a complete device compromise. We demonstrate the immediate impact using a pair of current-generation headphones. We also demonstrate how a compromised Bluetooth peripheral can be abused to attack paired devices, like smartphones, due to their trust relationship with the peripheral.

> This presentation will give an overview over the vulnerabilities and a demonstration and discussion of their impact. We also generalize these findings and discuss the impact of compromised Bluetooth peripherals in general. At the end, we briefly discuss the difficulties in the disclosure and patching process. Along with the talk, we will release tooling for users to check whether their devices are affected and for other researchers to continue looking into Airoha-based devices.

[...]

> It is important that headphone users are aware of the issues. In our opinion, some of the device manufacturers have done a bad job of informing their users about the potential threats and the available security updates. We also want to provide the technical details to understand the issues and enable other researchers to continue working with the platform. With the protocol it is possible to read and write firmware. This opens up the possibility to patch and potentially customize the firmware.

dijit•1h ago
And everyone got mad at OpenBSD for refusing to develop bluetooth.

It’s a messy standard and we shouldn’t be surprised that the race to the bottom has left some major gaps.. though Sony WH1000’s are premium tier hardware and they have no real excuses..

I always wondered how people could justify the growth of the bluetooth headphone market in such a way.. Everyone seems to use bluetooth headphones exclusively (in Sweden at least), I’m guilty of buying into it too (I own both Airpods Pro’s and the affected Sony WH1000-XM5) but part of me has always known that bluetooth is just hacks on hacks… I allowed myself to be persuaded due to popularity. Scary.

I was also trying to debug bluetooth “glitching audio” issues and tried to figure out signal strength as the first troubleshooting step: I discovered that people don’t even expose signal strength anymore… the introspection into what’s happening extends literally nowhere, including not showing signal strength… truly, the whole thing is cursed and I’m shocked it works for the masses the way it does.. can you imagine not displaying wifi signal strength?

pyvpx•1h ago
Some of us kept using OpenBSD (longer than they should’ve?) because of that and a few other related decisions.

So who is everyone, in your meaning?

dijit•1h ago
It comes up enough that I am comfortable saying that it feels like “everyone” to the OpenBSD devs.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25950845

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45798439

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34667522

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43144607

antirez•59m ago
You can't read English like if it was a declarative logical language. It is obviously an hyperbole to say "everyone". It means "a lot of people". So why they didn't say "a lot of people"? Language uses hyperboles to make a point stronger.
raverbashing•1h ago
Sometimes plugging a cord is a minor inconvenience.

But sometimes it's a large inconvenience

Example: if I'm using my laptop for work but at a slightly longer distance (think, using external monitor/keyboard) then it gets annoying (cord has to hang from the connection, or it gets between you and the keyboard, etc)

stefan_•1h ago
This is not a Bluetooth issue. The chip manufacturer Airoha just felt it acceptable to ship a wireless debug interface that allows reading the SoC memory with no authentication whatsoever, enabled in retail customer builds. They are just not a serious company (which is why their security email didn't work, either).
p0w3n3d•1h ago
Meanwhile all the phones dropping jack because Apple started it. Official reason is to "waterproof phones"
CharlesW•34m ago
The official reason was, famously and ridiculously, "courage". Apple further explained that space is at a premium, listed the many things competing for that space, and noted that a large, single-purpose legacy connector no longer made sense.

A lot of Apple's strategic choices are driven by products that take 5, 10, or sometimes 20 years to realize. For example, the forthcoming foldable iPhone (and the proving ground for many related decisions, the iPhone Air) was on roadmaps literally a decade before a decision like this reverberates through released products.

Putting a high-quality DAC in a dongle wasn't a terrible solution (many phones with analog jacks have poor ones), and today hundreds of headphones¹ courageously have native USB-C support.

¹ https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/usb-c-headphones/ci/...

realusername•28m ago
Apple is very late to the foldable phones now, not sure that's the best example
CharlesW•14m ago
Regardless, the point of mentioning it is that Apple commonly makes decisions that can seem bizarre to people who don't consider systemic and longer-term reasons why they might've been made. Another micro-example of this that comes to mind is Tahoe's mostly-reviled chonky window borders, which along with many other gradual UX changes over years, absolutely foreshadow touchscreen Macbooks.
realusername•5m ago
They've also been late sometimes and had to change by force, the first app store in iOS was cydia and a lot of what we consider modern iOS design was copied over from the jailbreaking community.
makeitdouble•27m ago
The most frustrating part is when Apple dropped the jack we laughed at the "courage" bit, Apple's given reasons where already seen as bullshit, Samsung had their finger pointing moment.

And it just went on, Apple weathered the critics, the other makers also dropped it, and at some point there was just nowhere to go for anyone still wanted a 3.5 jack with a decent phone.

raverbashing•1h ago
Ah yes, the removal of headphone jacks, the gift that keeps on giving

Funny that there were always some people here pushing bt audio as "the future", whom I can only assume were the technically shallow but very opinionated people that would die on the smallest technical hills

NoiseBert69•1h ago
Thanks god the headphone jacks died in smartphones.

I switched to USB-C soundcard cables which are dirt cheap and survive much much more plug-unplug-cycles. They easily can be replaced.

raverbashing•1h ago
The epidemic of people not wearing headphones has been directly caused by the lack of headphone jacks
ffguhv•1h ago
LOL. People not using headphones in public are narcissistic a-holes, but they’ve been doing it since *long* before headphone jacks went missing from smartphones.
conception•51m ago
It’s even noted as a problem in the beloved, acclaimed piece of cinema - Star Trek IV : The Voyage Home.
j1elo•1h ago
A couple days ago there was a bit of a conversation about this, you might find it interesting. It seems this feeling (to the point of calling it an "epidemic"!) might be caused by the known bias of thinking that earlier times were better:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46424228

watermelon0•1h ago
I'd assume that most people wouldn't want to get back to wired headphones.

Transition period was definitely rough, but nowadays bluetooth headphones are substantially better than they were in the past, and it's quite freeing to not have to deal with wires.

There are definitely benefits to wired headphones, such as better audio quality and no battery life to worry about, but for those cases there are USB-C DACs.

TheAceOfHearts•1h ago
Haven't watched the video yet, but I think this capability was leaked by VP Kamala Harris during her recent interview with the Late Night Show [0]. She stated she doesn't use wireless headphones because she's been in security meetings and knows they're not safe.

[0] https://youtu.be/BD8Nf09z_38 (Timestamp 18:40)

denysvitali•1h ago
Disclaimer: This comment is not intended to be political - I don't care about the specific party she's part of.

Out of all the people I would trust on the matter, Kamala Harris doesn't certainly end up at the top of my list, for reasons such as this one: https://youtu.be/O2SLyBL2kdM?si=Zq-EN8zxj4Y_UCwI

You also don't need to be in classified meetings to understand that Bluetooth/ BLE (and specifically the way most vendors implement the spec) is not as secure as other more battle-tested technologies

dijit•1h ago
I think many people would be justified in making the argument that bluetooth has existed for at least 20 years and thus is the established battle tested protocol.
denysvitali•1h ago
Yeah, but Bluetooth spec changed a lot over the years (3000+ pages) and the certification price is rather expensive.

There's an interesting article from Wired [1] about this, although some interesting comments from the engineers working on BT stacks are far more interesting. It seems like most of the manufacturers do not create spec-compliant devices, and that the tests from the certification are just poor.

I'd love to hear more from an expert on the topic, but this looks to be the consensus.

[1]: https://archive.ph/6201V

IshKebab•18m ago
I think people are generally aware of how low quality the Bluetooth protocol suite is though so maybe they'd guess that extends to security too.

I definitely remember lots of folk security advice to keep bluetooth off on your phone back when smartphones were new (nobody does that now though, and Android auto-enables it these days).

ahoef•1h ago
What she says isn't necessary untrue, now is it? She just skips a lot of steps most people have no clue about.

I had files in a cabinet, now they are digital. And most often also on a cloud drive, which is metaphysical in some sense. For most it is indistinguishable from magic.

ycombinary•25m ago
It's essentially a statement about the view of gov security, not about the view of an individual.
quesera•20m ago
> doesn't certainly end up at the top of my list

There hasn't been a POTUS or VPOTUS since Carter that had a technical background, so obviously none of them would be authoritative on such topics.

However the individual in question is not delusional or conspiratorial, so there's no reason to imagine they are not (lo-fi) repeating advice or restrictions received from extremely well-informed sources.

miduil•1h ago
Glad this submission is finally receiving upvotes.

This was just shown at the 39C3 in Hamburg, few days back.

Common (unpached) Bluetooth headsets using Airoha's SoCs can be completely taken over by any unauthenticated bystander with a Linux laptop. (CVE-2025-20700, CVE-2025-20701, CVE-2025-20702)

This includes firmware dumps, user preferences, Bluetooth Classic session keys, current playing track, ...

> Examples of affected vendors and devices are Sony (e.g., WH1000-XM5, WH1000-XM6, WF-1000XM5), Marshall (e.g. Major V, Minor IV), Beyerdynamic (e.g. AMIRON 300), or Jabra (e.g. Elite 8 Active).

Most vendors gave the security researchers either silent treatment or were slow, even after Airoha published fixes. Jabra was one of the positive outlier, Sony unfortunately negatively.

What is exciting, even though the flaws are awful, that it is unlikely for current generation of those Airoha bluetooth headsets to change away from Aiorha's Bluetooth LE "RACE" protocol. This means there is great opportunity for Linux users to control their Bluetooth headsets, which for example is quite nice in an office setting to toggle "hearthrough" when toggling volume "mute" on your machine.

RACE Reverse Engineered - CLI Tool: https://github.com/auracast-research/race-toolkit

I feel like this should receive state-level attention, the remote audio surveillance of any headset can be a major threat. I wonder what the policies in countries official buildings are when it comes to Bluetooth audio devices, considering that Jabra is a major brand for conference speakers, I'd assume some actual espionage threats.

macintux•1h ago
> Glad this submission is finally receiving upvotes.

Speaking for myself, I have very little patience for technical videos, so I don't believe I've ever upvoted a YouTube submission.

andai•1h ago
I would read it if it was an article of identical length!

One second thought I think this is called a transcript...

---

Edit: Auto-Transcript! (No timestamps, sorry)

https://jsbin.com/jiqihuveci/edit?html,output

IshKebab•29m ago
Is this an unintentional vulnerability or is it one of those "we left it open because it's easier and we hoped nobody would notice" kind of things. I mean can you just send a "update to this firmware" command completely unauthenticated and it's like "yep sure"? No signing or anything?
bgbntty2•25m ago
Remote audio surveillance probably be accomplished on wired headphones with TEMPEST [0]/Van Eck phreaking [1]. Not sure about which has a better range and which would be stealthier - TEMPEST or the Bluetooth attack. The Bluetooth attack just requires a laptop. Not sure if the TEMPEST attack would require a big antenna.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking

Namidairo•24m ago
> Most vendors gave the security researchers either silent treatment or were slow, even after Airoha published fixes. Jabra was one of the positive outlier, Sony unfortunately negatively.

While I don't recall Sony issuing an advisory, I believe the users of their app would have started getting update notifications since they (quietly) released firmware updates.

> This means there is great opportunity for Linux users to control their Bluetooth headsets, which for example is quite nice in an office setting to toggle "hearthrough" when toggling volume "mute" on your machine.

I think most vendors are using custom services with their own UUIDs for settings such as this.

Regardless, I believe there are open client implementations for some of the more popular devices. Gadgetbridge comes to mind in regards to Android, not sure about any Linux equivalent.

mi_lk•6m ago
> This includes firmware dumps, user preferences, Bluetooth Classic session keys, current playing track, ..

That doesn't sound very serious if they're exposed, is it? Can it be used to eavesdrop my conversation if I'm speaking through the headphone

smallstepforman•1h ago
Most audiophiles ignore bluetooth headphones due to sound quality + latency, so we (audiophiles) stick to wired at home and we also have dedicated headphone amps since the pissy sound card D/A convertors are incredibly bad. Bluetooth only when I’m doing yard work. Sadly, modern music is tuned to crappy headphones, crappy car systems, crappy speakers … I miss the 80’s audiophile obsession, the equipment had heart, and mixing and mastering was generations ahead of current (mainstream) music production.
dmd•1h ago
What does audio have to do with this post?
petit_robert•40m ago
GP seems to mean that if people cared about audio quality, they would not use bluetooth in the first place?

Audiophiles tend to have firm stances on what is acceptable or not, I find.

K0balt•27m ago
There are also some amazing cables available in the space. Especially the digital cables, they are really amazing.
brohee•11m ago
A friend worked in an audiophile shop during his physics master and he'd swear the customer base was the most gullible bunch he ever saw... And mostly unswayable by rational arguments.

In any case someone ought to shear the sheep....

wojciii•1h ago
This is probably going to make some state actors unhappy.
Alifatisk•44m ago
A bit irritating to see people ruining the demo by calling the phone number
peterpost2•27m ago
Shame on Airoha. Terrible security pracices.
brohee•15m ago
You'd think Sony would have learned from the PSN debacle, but alas...

Now I need to setup to check if my headphones are still vulnerable...

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