Famous last words
I think GP is right that if not for Trump, no one would care. Like the majority of the U.S.'s over-reaching policies that have largely only come under scrutiny in recent times (at least, amongst this audience).
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Actually that's why you shouldn't create databases like that to begin with.
2015 is later than 2013,
which means you were all sorts of late, then.
Show them examples of a free place becoming unfree? "Oh, we're different, that can't happen here".
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https://www.heise.de/news/Bundeswehr-setzt-auf-Google-Cloud-...
Sounds like another drive-by meant to burn another bridge with EU.
https://www.statewatch.org/news/2025/december/us-access-to-e...
EU is trying to negotiate the other way, it will get nowhere.
If European countries don't want to grant access that's their right, but it's not at all an unreasonable thing for the US to want access to, if the data exists and is easy to check. If someone is a convicted sex trafficker or drug dealer or whatever, I'm fully in favor of not letting them into the country.
When you create systems that are easy to abuse, some of the people in the system will abuse the system.
It might not be an unreasonable request for a gov with a long history of abiding to agreements - and w/o a long history of misusing data for the benefit of Gov & gov partners.
Which means it is a fully unreasonable request by the US Gov (of any administration).
But a request by a US Gov
that gifts its citizens' most sensitive data
to one of the world's least ethical data brokers
so that vulnerable people can be mistreated in bulk?
Surprisingly, (at least some) European countries will tell you directly whether someone has a specific criminal record (given that someone's consent.)
If that's what the US wanted, then that could be given directly. But that's not what the US is asking for.
https://www.justis.nl/en/products/certificate-of-conduct
Idea being they could request a relevant certificate of conduct, which is only issued if your record is clean. No certificate means no access.
I know some people don't think that way though. Better hope they never find themselves in that situation.
Which again is that country's choice, but it's not one that countries accepting their tourists are obligated to accept.
In terms of rhetoric, you can argue that Donald Trump is bad for his alleged sex crimes, or you can argue that the US is wrong for vetting tourists, but you can't reasonably argue both at the same time, those contradict each other.
Alleged? Convicted by a jury.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/breaking-down-the-verdict-...
No, it is strong evidence that I can hear the very noisy xenophobic propaganda and whistle.
We have had instances of that in the Netherlands with religious folks who wanted to give hate speech tours. The government just stops them at the airport customs control.
It is ofcourse potentially a diplomatic shit storm.
Given visa-free travel of US citizens?
Just mention the UK, but I am sure that other countries have thier own procedures but the US wants all the details for thier own examination.
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Havoc•1mo ago
https://etias.com/articles/us-demands-direct-access-to-eu-da...