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So, You've Hit an Age Gate. What Now?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/01/so-youve-hit-age-gate-what-now
137•hn_acker•1h ago•92 comments

Why some clothes shrink in the wash – and how to 'unshrink' them

https://www.swinburne.edu.au/news/2025/08/why-some-clothes-shrink-in-the-wash-and-how-to-unshrink...
271•OptionOfT•3d ago•146 comments

Ask HN: Could you share your personal website here?

88•susam•2h ago•293 comments

Find a pub that needs you

https://www.ismypubfucked.com/
106•thinkingemote•3h ago•51 comments

East coast. Verizon outage in US

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/nation-world/verizon-outage-reported/507-ef3cb3d0-f59...
18•Scubabear68•19m ago•5 comments

Show HN: A 10KiB kernel for cloud apps

https://github.com/ReturnInfinity/BareMetal-Cloud
39•ianseyler•3h ago•4 comments

The Unbearable Frustration of Figuring Out APIs

https://blog.ar-ms.me/thoughts/translation-cli/
43•ezekg•2h ago•20 comments

Show HN: HyTags – HTML as a Programming Language

https://hytags.org
33•lassejansen•1d ago•17 comments

Edge of Emulation: Game Boy Sewing Machines (2020)

https://shonumi.github.io/articles/art22.html
78•mosura•4h ago•6 comments

Starlink roam 50GB is now 100GB with unlimited slow speed after that

https://starlink.com/support/article/58c9c8b7-474e-246f-7e3c-06db3221d34d
141•bahmboo•3h ago•145 comments

I built Vector. Now I'm answering the question your observability vendor won't

https://usetero.com/blog/the-question-your-observability-vendor-wont-answer
64•binarylogic•3h ago•32 comments

I’m leaving Redis for SolidQueue

https://www.simplethread.com/redis-solidqueue/
257•amalinovic•9h ago•105 comments

How have prices changed in a year? NPR checked 114 items at Walmart

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/14/nx-s1-5638908/walmart-prices-inflation-affordability-shrinkflation
99•srameshc•2h ago•52 comments

Xoscript

https://xoscript.com/history.xo
33•gabordemooij•3h ago•29 comments

Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

https://electrek.co/2026/01/13/ford-f150-lightning-outsold-tesla-cybertruck-canceled-not-selling-...
179•MBCook•1h ago•189 comments

Government drops plans for mandatory digital ID to work in UK

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3385zrrx73o
108•FridayoLeary•3h ago•50 comments

GitHub should charge everyone $1 more per month to fund open source

https://blog.greg.technology/2025/11/27/github-should-charge-1-dollar-more-per-month.html
63•evakhoury•2h ago•74 comments

Virginia Faulkner: Writer, Editor and Ghostwriter?

https://lithub.com/virginia-faulkner-writer-editor-and-ghostwriter/
11•samclemens•5d ago•1 comments

I Hate GitHub Actions with Passion

https://xlii.space/eng/i-hate-github-actions-with-passion/
290•xlii•8h ago•234 comments

Lago (Open-Source Billing) is hiring across teams and geos

1•Rafsark•6h ago

A Brief Introduction to the Basics of Game Theory

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1968579
45•7777777phil•2d ago•7 comments

System Programming in Linux: A Hands-On Introduction "Demo" Programs

https://github.com/stewartweiss/intro-linux-sys-prog
74•teleforce•9h ago•4 comments

1000 Blank White Cards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000_Blank_White_Cards
333•eieio•16h ago•59 comments

Show HN: Tiny FOSS Compass and Navigation App (<2MB)

https://github.com/CompassMB/MBCompass
106•nativeforks•8h ago•34 comments

You Can Just Buy Far-UVC

https://www.jefftk.com/p/you-can-just-buy-far-uvc
8•surprisetalk•4d ago•6 comments

US to suspend immigrant visa processing for 75 nations, State Department says

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-suspend-visa-processing-75-nations-next-week-fox-news-reports...
8•Imustaskforhelp•13m ago•3 comments

There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

https://blog.jgc.org/2026/01/theres-ridiculous-amount-of-tech-in.html
678•abnercoimbre•2d ago•597 comments

A 40-line fix eliminated a 400x performance gap

https://questdb.com/blog/jvm-current-thread-user-time/
347•bluestreak•20h ago•75 comments

Every GitHub object has two IDs

https://www.greptile.com/blog/github-ids
313•dakshgupta•1d ago•69 comments

ASCII Clouds

https://caidan.dev/portfolio/ascii_clouds/
316•majkinetor•16h ago•56 comments
Open in hackernews

So, You've Hit an Age Gate. What Now?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/01/so-youve-hit-age-gate-what-now
135•hn_acker•1h ago

Comments

JoshTriplett•1h ago
I'm surprised that the EFF does not highlight the best option, here: use a VPN to a jurisdiction that doesn't have such ridiculous laws.
kristjank•1h ago
It might be bad for an activist group to advocate just ignoring the problem into a different jurisdiction.
paulddraper•1h ago
They could sell it as "if your IP geolocation is inaccurate, or if the statute does not apply to you."

But FWIW VPNs can get flagged for suspicious behavior. YMMV

Retr0id•1h ago
In many cases, using a VPN is a great way to get your account flagged as suspicious.
SoftTalker•1h ago
Next step: the same government that is demanding the age verification will ban VPNs.
pc86•47m ago
Everyone seems to forget that using VPNs to violate your local laws gives lots of good ammo to the authoritarians that want to ban VPNs. The answer isn't to use a VPN to get around it (and thus give fodder to your enemies) but to change the law.
luke727•23m ago
While I agree with this in spirit, here in the UK both major parties along with the public at large generally support these types of laws.
JoshTriplett•31m ago
Not especially feasible if you want to support businesses. More likely is trying to demand that VPNs also enforce age verification, which business-targeted VPNs might do, and then ban the ones that don't.
Jigsy•3m ago
I doubt this would be workable.

They could, sadly, however, make it a crime to bypass things like The Online Safety Bill.

At that point, the only sane option is to become a criminal.

cedws•1h ago
The days are numbered on this technique working. After enough countries enact their own age verification laws tech companies will just make that the global default policy, and I'm sure the opportunity to harvest user data will not be left to waste. Many sites already block and throttle VPNs.

When that day comes I'll stop casually using the internet or search for the underground alternative.

omoikane•44m ago
I think EFF does not recommend for or against VPN in general because it's not always a clear win, depending on the VPN and the use case.

https://ssd.eff.org/module/choosing-vpn-thats-right-you

hamdingers•34m ago
"Give up" is not the best option. Certainly not from the EFF's perspective.
marssaxman•1h ago
I have never clicked "accept" on a cookie banner, as a matter of principle; I zap them away with uBlock Origin. Should the plague of age verification reach my jurisdiction, I'm sure I will handle it in like fashion.
antonvs•1h ago
The difference is that the cookie banner is not a gate. uBlock Origin is unlikely to be able to satisfy a website about your age without submitting the info that the site expects. (Assuming the age check has any teeth at all.) You're unlikely to be able to continue as usual if these kinds of measures become ubiquitous.
RankingMember•1h ago
Zapping only works if the site lets you continue/pull content without verification.
marssaxman•59m ago
I expect I'll need to employ some other technical means of circumvention, but the principle of refusing to engage with the thing on its own terms will remain the same.
kube-system•51m ago
These things are integrated into the authentication systems of these services. They aren't implemented client side. Refusing to engage with them means you cannot use the service.
BanAntiVaxxers•5m ago
Then it wasn't meant to be. Let it go.
goopypoop•49m ago
ignoring the banner is the same as agreeing to all the opt-out "legitimate interest" shit
jimbob45•1h ago
Is there a throwaway identity that people are using? A dead person unchecked in Mississippi somewhere? Like every teen in America using the same identity like everyone's extended family does with their uncle's Netflix account?

I don't want to google it because I don't want to be put on a list but I also feel somewhat confident that this is being done. Apparently, HN feels safe to ask questions like that for me.

bee_rider•1h ago
That’s an interesting question.

Actually, a follow up. PII leaks are so common, I guess there must be millions of identities out there up for grabs. This makes me wonder: we’ve got various jurisdictions where sites are legally required to verify the age of users. And everybody (including the people running these sites) knows that tons of identities are out there on the internet waiting to be used.

How does a site do due diligence in this context? I guess just asking for a scan of somebody’s easily fabricated ID shouldn’t be sufficient legal cover…

kube-system•36m ago
These ID laws typically require a solution to be "commercially practical" or similar. The standard is not "impenetrable and impossible to circumvent"

That's why some of them don't even ask for ID but just guess the age based on appearance. That's good enough per the law, usually.

everyday7732•1h ago
It would probably flag that multiple people are using the same photo or same persons name/ id, but I expect you could get away with doing using someone known to you. iirc the reason people are using game screenshots is because it's not going to match any image that the recogniser has seen before. Use tor for the things you don't want to google and have associated with you.
shiandow•56m ago
Last time I tried I could find a photo ID just with a basic image search. It is an unavoidable consequence of teaching people that scanning an ID is not utterly insane.

Ironically there was no way to report the image anonymously to the service hosting it.

acka•55m ago
Netflix has been checking accounts against public IP addresses and local networks for ages, at least in The Netherlands. if I use my Dad's account, I get flagged as being "not on the same home network" immediately. I think that using a VPN and Netflix detecting that would only make matters worse, like termination of service.
reincarnate0x14•32m ago
I gave up on netflix years ago for unrelated reasons but never had any sort of issue both VPNing between various countries and traveling between them. My wife would pretty regularly want to watch netflix as if she was in Japan or the UK and so we'd turn a VPN on for the TV network and their own TV app never complained at all that it was suddenly on a different continent.
glitcher•41m ago
> I don't want to google it because I don't want to be put on a list

Of all the controversial things out there we've become afraid to even google in order to learn more about the world around us, this one strikes me as not all that controversial.

But you're not wrong, just making a comment about how sad the world has become.

cons0le•1h ago
>If Google can guess your age, you may never even see an age verification screen. Your Google account is typically connected to your YouTube account, so if (like mine) your YouTube account is old enough to vote, you may not need to verify your Google account at all.

This has been proven false a bunch of times, at least if the 1000s of people complaining online about it are to be believed. My google account is definitely old enough to vote, but I get the verification popup all the time on YouTube.

I think the truth is, they just want your face. The financial incentive is to get as much data as possible so they can hand it to 3rd parties. I don't believe for a second that these social networks aren't selling both the data and the meta data.

AshamedCaptain•1h ago
My Google account is more than 18 years old and I hit an age prompt when I was trying to watch some FPGA video (out of all things). So no, account age is not necessarily a factor.
dlcarrier•1h ago
Field programmable gatorade is an adult-only beverage.
raverbashing•1h ago
Yeah, they could/*should* infer your age just by the fact you're watching an FPGA video
bluGill•2m ago
I would have watched those at 10 if the internet was a thing when I was 13. I think most people here would have. (I may or may not have understood it, but I would have tried)
stonemetal12•48m ago
They probably need to account for parents allowing kids to use their account, so account age can be a factor but not an automatic pass.
RobotToaster•39m ago
Can't allow any underage synthesis.
inopinatus•28m ago
That makes sense. Golf has a minimum age of 35.
shevy-java•59m ago
> I think the truth is, they just want your face.

Agreed. They treat people as data points and cash cows. This is also one reason why I think Google needs to be disbanded completely. And the laws need to be returned back to The People; right now Trump is just the ultimate Mr. Corporation guy ever. Lo and behold, ICE reminds us of a certain merc-like group in a world war (and remember what Mussolini said about fascism: "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - of course in italian, but I don't know the italian sentence, only the english translation)

jama211•58m ago
They definitely already have your face though…
zahlman•55m ago
From where? Not everyone even puts selfies on the Internet.
ambicapter•53m ago
The more examples in various situations they can get, the higher their accuracy.
blacksmith_tb•58m ago
I agree they want the face data, but I think it's less clear they want to "hand it" (presumably that's really "sell it"?) to third parties. My sense is Google and Apple and Meta are amassing data for their own uses, but I haven't gotten the impression they're very interested in sharing it?
testing22321•56m ago
They’ll do whatever makes money.

Sell it and use it internally.

121789•50m ago
you are correct. having that data is one of their competitive advantages, it makes no sense to sell it. they will collect as much as possible and monetize it through better ads, but they don't sell it
llbbdd•48m ago
Sharing it is bad for business; selling insights derived from it for ad placement is the game. Faces definitely contain some useful information for that purpose.
zahlman•56m ago
I haven't gotten it yet on my account from 2006. Maybe it matters whether it's a brand account? Maybe it matters whether the accounts actually are connected?
mythrwy•31m ago
well as long as it's you logging in, they know you are minimum 20 years old!
SilasX•45m ago
I wrote an April Fool's parody in 2021 that Google is going to get rid of authentication because they're following you around enough to know who you are anyway (modeling it after their No Captcha announcement[1]):

http://blog.tyrannyofthemouse.com/2021/04/leaked-google-init...

Edit:

>I think the truth is, they just want your face.

I just realized the parody also predicted that part (emphasis added):

>>In cases where our tracking cookies and other behavioral metrics can't confidently predict who someone is, we will prompt the user for additional information, increasing the number of security checkpoints to confirm who the user really is. For example, you might need to turn on your webcam or upload your operating system's recent logs to give a fuller picture.

[1] https://security.googleblog.com/2014/12/are-you-robot-introd...

gosub100•23m ago
I just got glasses yesterday and the optician needed to take a pic of my face to "make sure my glasses fit". The first thing I thought of was they are probably selling the data.
rolph•2m ago
[delayed]
irusensei•1h ago
Face scan: download and install Gary's mod.
Retr0id•1h ago
There were some amusing headlines a while back about Discord's verification being fooled with game screenshots. Does anyone know if that's still the case?
everyday7732•1h ago
saw a recent screenshot of someone doing it yesterday, so I think it still is a thing.
dlcarrier•1h ago
How well does the selfie test detect AI-generated photos? That seems easy to bypass, especially if you copy the metadata over from a real photo.
kube-system•47m ago
The ones I have used do not accept photos, they require real-time video with the front-facing camera and they prompt you to move your head to face different directions on command. Not impossible to attack, I'm certain, but it's tougher than simply uploading a photo.
shevy-java•1h ago
States need to stop sniffing for age really. This is age discrimination.
kube-system•40m ago
Basically every government on the planet has laws that apply specifically to children. The term "age discrimination" typically refers to disadvantaging someone for being of old age.
torcete•1h ago
I thought the article was about finding a job when you reach a certain age, which is my problem.
ryandrake•58m ago
My kid has recently just quit playing Roblox because of the sketchy facial age check process. She said that her and all her friends know not to ever upload a picture of themselves to the Internet (good job, fellow Other Parents!!) so they're either moving on to other games or just downloading stock photos of people from the internet and uploading those (which apparently works).

What a total joke. These companies need to stop normalizing the sharing of personal private photos. It's literally the opposite direction from good Internet hygiene, especially for kids!

kevmo•43m ago
I was getting a haircut last week and chatting about our kids with the stylist, who said (basically): "I just started letting my 7 year old on Roblox. I know its full of pedophiles. I told him to come to me or his older brother if anyone tries to talk to him."

If the million reports of Mark Zuckerberg enabling pedophiles and scam artists haven't made it clear, the executives of these tech companies just don't care. They will sell children into sexual slavery if it improves next quarter's numbers.

turblety•39m ago
There seems to be a big movement (UK specifically) from governments using age gateing as an excuse to increase surveillance and online tracking. I don't know where Roblox is based or it's policies, but it's likely they are just implementing what the government has forced them to do.

We need to push back against governments that try and restrict the freedom of the internet and educate them on better regulations. Why can sites not dictate the content they provide, then let device providers provide optional parental controls.

Governments forcing companies to upload your passport/ID, upload pictures/videos of your face, is dangerous and we are going to see a huge increase of fraud and privacy breaches, all while reducing our freedoms and rights online.

btown•31m ago
One aspect of this normalization of photo uploading is that, if a platform allows user-generated content that can splash a modal to kids, a bad actor can do things like say “you need to re-verify or you’ll lose all your in-game currency, go here” and then collect photo identification without even needing to compromise identity verification providers!

I truly fear the harm that will be done before legislators realize what they’ve created. One only hopes that this prevents the EU and US from doing something similar.

pfraze•23m ago
I’m sorry to say that a number of US states have instituted age verification laws over the past year
pixl97•2m ago
Aka, morality laws mostly.
next_xibalba•14m ago
I generally agree, but I also think that free access to hardcore pornography is disastrous for minors and this seems like it might prevent that (if better implemented, can’t believe stock photos work).
polski-g•12m ago
What evidence led you to believe this, when controlling for heritability?
gjsman-1000•8m ago
How about that 38% of young women in the UK have experienced asphyxiation; combined with studies showing there is zero safe threshold without brain damage markers in the blood?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zwy0nex0o

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/nov/18/sexually-act...

https://wecantconsenttothis.uk/blog/2020/12/21/the-horrifyin...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/opinion/choking-teen-sex-...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/consciously-creating...

https://www.itleftnomarks.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/...

Before the widespread adoption of pornography, this rate was near 0%. Now we have literally a significant minority of women with permanent brain damage, induced from widespread pornography, unknown harms long-term, and studies already suggesting increased risk of random stroke decades afterwards.

irusensei•2m ago
I'm trying to find the contact for the does-not-imply-causation dept but I think I lost my slashdot account in 2004.
gjsman-1000•2m ago
Nobody studying this issue, from the UK government to independent researchers, says this. The causation is clear, documented, proven.
irusensei•7m ago
I think the way Roblox is doing right now separating the users in age groups just makes it easier for predators to find victim.
AndyMcConachie•47m ago
Why can't the EFF tell people to lie? Because if you can get away with it, lying is almost always your best option. Unless there are actual real world consequences to lying like you may anger the police.

And maybe consider using a VPN.

HotGarbage•38m ago
For real. This should be an article about circumvention, not compliance.
nottorp•9m ago
That's not EFFs job, just ask your kids how they circumvent age gates for that :)
kube-system•30m ago
I'd imagine it is because several of the obvious options for "lying" here may violate criminal law. And also because the EFF is an civil liberties advocacy group, they want to change the law, not circumvent it.
izzydata•43m ago
If my options are upload a picture of myself for Google to monetize through ads or not use Google / Youtube then I will be moving on regardless of the inconvenience to myself.
mlinster•42m ago
I think that age verification is important. While its not perfect, it is one tool to help protect kids.
unglaublich•29m ago
Against what? How much struggle and pain are we actually seeing in the world because children have unrestricted internet access?
anthk•26m ago
Call your ISP and ban any NSFW/NSFL access by DNS, both in your children's phones and your home connection. Problem solved.
drnick1•2m ago
This does not work, browsers like Firefox don't even always use the system DNS by default.
jmclnx•34m ago
>should I continue to use this service if I have to verify my age?

Simple answer, never accept this If everyone selected "cancel" you can be sure these sites will stop age banning, they wan $ more than anything else.

If a site asks me one question about me, I stop using if.

cloudfudge•31m ago
This makes me wonder if there's a business case for a privacy-preserving identity service which does age verification. Say you have a strong identity provider that you have proven your age to. Just as the 3rd party site could use SSO login from your identity provider, perhaps the identity provider could provide signed evidence to the 3rd party site that asserts "I have verified that this person is age X" but not divulge their identity. Sidestep the privacy issue and just give the 3rd party site what they need to shield them from liability.
dakiol•23m ago
The question is: why would services like Google and others want to use such privacy-preserving identity solutions? They wouldn't gain anything from a non-invasive, user-friendly system, so I don't think they'd use it. They want more data, so they are going for it.
cloudfudge•17m ago
I was thinking someone like Auth0 might want to offer it. They are not in the business of invasive user tracking but are in the business of trust.
awkward•13m ago
The article does go into this and gives lip service to the idea that a secure third party could expose age without exposing identity. Ultimately, there's still the problem that even if point of verification can be done in a zero trust way, you are still entrusting very sensitive information to a third party which is subject to data breach.
enahs-sf•3m ago
I’ve been noodling on this idea for a while but I think getting commercial acceptance would be hard. People have tried it with crypto albeit with lukewarm results. I think to have the network effects required to be successful in such an endeavor, it would have to come from a vendor like apple or google unfortunately.

You kind of want an mTLS for the masses with a chain of trust that makes sense.

izacus•3m ago
This is how Swiss e-ID was proposed to work: https://www.eid.admin.ch/en
dakiol•29m ago
I’ve noticed that many people struggle to simply let things go. Take a hypothetical case where HN requires ID verification. I'd just stop using HN, even if that meant giving up checking tech news. Sometimes things end, and that's fine.

I used to watch good soccer matches on public TV. When services like DAZN appeared, only one major match was available each weekend on public TV. Later, none were free to watch unless you subscribed to a private channel. I didn't want to do that, so I stopped watching soccer. Now I only follow big tournaments like the World cup, which still air on public TV (once every 4 years).

Sometimes you just have to let things go

zackmorris•6m ago
Funny, I'm the opposite. Since information wants to be free, and storage/compute get more affordable every year, then really everything ever posted on the web should be mirrored somewhere, like Neocities.

I grew up in the 80s when office software and desktop publishing were popular. Arguably MS Access, FileMaker and HyperCard were more advanced in some ways than anything today. There was a feeling of self-reliance before the internet that seems to have been lost. To me, there appears to be very little actual logic in most websites, apps and even games. They're all about surveillance capitalism now.

Now that AI is here, I hope that hobbyists begin openly copying websites and apps. All of them. Use them as templates and to automate building integration tests. Whatever ranking algorithm that HN uses, or at least the part(s) they haven't disclosed, should be straightforward to reverse engineer from the data.

That plants a little seed in the back of every oligopoly's psyche that ensh@ttification is no longer an option.

firefoxd•24m ago
My main concern is that there isn't a reliable way to know your information is securely stored[0].

> A few years ago, I received a letter in the mail addressed to my then-toddler. It was from a company I had never heard of. Apparently, there had been a breach and some customer information had been stolen. They offered a year of credit monitoring and other services. I had to read through every single word in that barrage of text to find out that this was a subcontractor with the hospital where my kids were born. So my kid's information was stolen before he could talk. Interestingly, they didn't send any letter about his twin brother. I'm pretty sure his name was right there next to his brother's in the database.

> Here was a company that I had no interaction with, that I had never done business with, that somehow managed to lose our private information to criminals. That's the problem with online identity. If I upload my ID online for verification, it has to go through the wires. Once it reaches someone else's server, I can never get it back, and I have no control over what they do with it.

All those parties are copying and transferring your information, and it's only a matter of time before it leaks.

[0]: https://idiallo.com/blog/your-id-online-and-offline

miki123211•24m ago
> Even though there’s no way to implement mandated age gates in a way that fully protects speech and privacy rights

I think the EFF would have more success spreading their message if they didn't outright lie in their blog posts. While cryptographic digital ID schemes have their problems (which they address below), they do fully protect privacy rights. So do extremely simple systems like selling age-verification scratchcards in grocery stores, with the same age restrictions as cigarettes or alcohol.

iLoveOncall•22m ago
What a piss poor article.

"We disagree with age gates but our recommendation is to comply". Fuck this.

drnick1•11m ago
Switch VPN region or upload a random picture generated by AI, problem solved.