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Ask HN: Is it still worth pursuing a software startup?

55•newbebee•3h ago
Considering there is very little moat left in software and big companies can copy your product in no time?

Comments

WheelsAtLarge•2h ago
Yes! All startups are created to solve a problem, regardless of the tools used. Apps are simply tools to solve human problems. Because humans will always have challenges to address, software will remain a vital tool. While AI makes writing software much easier. It's likely to lead to an explosion of new apps. Only those that fill a genuine need will survive. Your job is to identify these new problems and determine which apps to build.

Simple apps are a thing of the past. If an LLM can generate an app in a few sittings, it isn't a saleable product. However, people will still pay for a fully engineered application that solves a complex problem that AI cannot easily replicate.

Regarding copies, there is always room for more than one solution to the same need. Your challenge is to figure out how to stand out. A fundamental business hurdle, that has existed since the beginning.

Here's an idea that always bear's fruit. We humans love to do things as easy as possible. Write something that saves energy, time and is simple then people will pay for it.

hooverd•1h ago
Plus, how many of these existing apps were just databases wired up in different ways?
coliveira•1h ago
And how many of these apps were just files wired up in different ways?
LPisGood•38m ago
This is why I like using mathematical or algorithmic approaches to solve difficult problems. Writing programs that use statistics, mathematics, optimization, analytical geometry, etc guarantee a certain level of security from the swarms of CRUD merchants flooding the market.
bpodgursky•1h ago
You're gonna get a lot of positive responses here, but frankly only do it if you think you can make meaningful money within a month or two.

Everything is going off the rails this year. You only have to use Claude Code for 10 minutes to realize every job involving a computer is going to get flipped upside down within a year.

sho•1h ago
I am just as bullish as you on the potential. AI is going to change the world all right. Much bigger than the internet.

I an far, far less bullish than you on the timeframe. The vast amount of work is not even optimised for computers without AI. Much if not most bureaucratic process has stayed mostly the same for the best part of a hundred years.

It will change everything, but not in a single year!

koakuma-chan•1h ago
Claude Code is useless for anything that requires advanced knowledge.
dimgl•1h ago
+1. Claude is actually really good at all kinds of development but Claude will still make plenty of mistakes and occasionally go so far in the wrong direction that it still needs someone with experience to steer it.
nradov•1h ago
Lol that's what they told us last year. And they'll say the same thing next year. It's obviously useful for certain tasks but the number of errors and hallucinations are still quite bad for anything large or complex or really novel. That part is improving very slowly and some fundamental theoretical breakthroughs will be needed.
bpodgursky•1h ago
I don't care what they told you last year, I didn't say jack shit. I'm saying it now.

Cope or pretend it's not happening, I don't care, this is the year.

honeycrispy•55m ago
Have you actually had it do anything substantial and then tried to work with the code it produces afterwards? It may "work" but it's a horrific mess. Good luck bug fixing that.
wahnfrieden•44m ago
Yes, with GPT 5.2 Codex and 5.2 Pro specifically. It’s not a mess because of the context I provide and the guidance and reattempts I apply. It’s working great, the resulting code is good when I accept it, and I’m getting much more done than in the before times.
bpodgursky•36m ago
Yes, Opus 4.5 is not business as normal. If you haven't tried it, you really need to, to update your opinion.
acrooks•1h ago
In my experience (enterprise software), customers buy our products not because we have a moat or some hard-to-achieve technical advantage but because they can speak to us in their words, they know we care, and we try solve their problems quickly.

Just yesterday I was speaking with the COO of a $200M/yr revenue company in the supply chain space. He'd learned Claude Code and built a couple apps to solve internal problems but reached out to talk to us. I asked him "you've been able to build some really impressive tools, clearly you can solve your own problems, why are you talking to me?" And he said "I have a business to run. I shouldn't be coding. I need somebody who understands my business & can solve my problems without taking a lot of my time."

Is there a cheaper way for him to solve his problems? Absolutely. But he wants to put the key in the ignition and know the car will turn on every time without thinking about it. There is an endless list of problems to solve; I don't think software businesses are going anywhere anytime soon.

dimgl•1h ago
One of the better, more levelheaded responses here.
fredthomsen•1h ago
A PM I've worked with many times always used to say, "They want an easy button! It's that simple!."
rubenvanwyk•44m ago
This should be the top comment. The thing about growth of businesses overall, is that they want outsourced capacity (that’s what employees or contractors are) and that dynamic doesn’t go away because of AI, because like the comment mentioned, it’s not reliable enough in the sense that it can accept high-context vague instructions and ‘figure it out’ like an enterprise developer can.
mamcx•43m ago
Yeah, this is how we survive.

I even dream of build tools for business to make apps (like Air table, but better) and even if you can do anything that do, perfectly, the software they need not means they want to babysit it all the time.

Is like the person that knows how cook, amazingly, yet hire a chef for take care of it most days.

bluGill•1h ago
Maybe. great businesses don't need moats. They just need sonething people buy from them. Maybe venture capital needs moats - but you can get rich without that. (If rich is even the goal - a nice life is a better goal)

beware of any business where there is no competition - there is generally good reason nobody else is making money there.

leros•1h ago
You could probably become rich wholesaling gravel in your city. There are plenty of opportunities all around. Execution is key.
wewewedxfgdf•1h ago
Do it if you want to - if you feel some burning desire to create that thing and you just can't get it out of your head.
shubhamjain•1h ago
You mean the big companies who still haven't moved away from abominations like SAP and Oracle? The ones where you require twenty approvals to get a small pilot done? Instead of moving to saner and cheaper alternatives, they would just say, "hey, why don't we just start making our own software?" Every effort like this—if it had any takers—will fail spectacularly.

I get it people are skeptical about the future. But I can't imagine any scenario where people would like taking responsibility of building and mantaining their own software for everything vs. paying marginal amount of money (relatively speaking) to let someone else take the headache.

gdsdfe•1h ago
I can imagine a future where it will be possible for a family to host their own essential services ... There got to be something between homelabs and cloud services bc the gap is too big.
pan69•32m ago
> I can imagine a future where it will be possible for a family to host their own essential services

Exactly. Even something as seemingly mundane as hosting your own email is a major challenge.

atrus•29m ago
Good luck. To have something that a regular family could use would require remote access from the company for troubleshooting, updates, maintenance.

So you get all of the downsides of cloud hosting (company employees can still remote in), with none of the upsides (all the hardware is now geographically distributed, instead of one big building) with the privilege of paying for it instead of being "free" like facebook/google.

4mitkumar•24m ago
Not quite there yet but Yunohost is a fantastic attempt to get closer to this ideal. Install the OS - and the basic self-hostic-use-case apps are all just there to click and install. From Immich to Kodi to Wordpress and what not.

https://yunohost.org/

rishabhpoddar•1h ago
It is. Big companies (or really anyone) usually don't have the time to copy an idea unless it becomes too big already. And if your idea becomes too big, it was worth pursuing it.
tharkun__•1h ago
Or worth buying up. Which in many cases was the "purpose" of doing the startup in the first place.

Sure, we'd all like to think that the goal was an idealistic "startup does things for bettering humankind".

But let's face it: A large amount of startups are literally founded as an "easier" alternative of building a "more agile" sub-organization within an established and more process driven org and then just get bought out by some of those larger orgs.

Whether or not those large orgs are then actually successful in integration and actually properly leveraging what they bought vs. just "crushing competition", is not necessarily the concern of the founders, depending on how ruthless vs. idealistic they are.

pm90•1h ago
in the valley at least its difficult to pursue that unless you’re in a “hot” field. A few years ago, it was cloud, then big data, then crypto and now AI. When startups in those fields can raise hundreds of millions, they can lure away a lot of talent (both tech and non tech).
nradov•1h ago
Nah. Regardless of where the company is nominally headquartered there are always an effectively infinite number of employees who can be hired to work remotely or out of satellite offices.
gedy•1h ago
Depends on your goal - do you have an idea you care about and want to solve? Probably a good idea. If you "want to be your own boss" or looking for something just to be acquired, hard to say, depends on who you know, etc.
thundergolfer•1h ago
Thought this would be a thread about the crazy offers being handed out to join AI teams at Amazon, Meta, Google, OpenAI, Anthropic, Apple, or any of the massively capitalized 'neolabs'.
BoiledCabbage•1h ago
The fact that people look to start a business based on searching foe a moat shows they don't believe in free markets. As well as shows what's wrong with Silicon Valley.
Herring•1h ago
Yeah, and a moat can just be a solid trusted brand. Claude Code can't take that away.
johnsmith1840•1h ago
Build something novel, what has changed?
matt_heimer•57m ago
I'd argue the question was wrong, it's not that big companies can copy you easier now. They could have always invaded your space and destroyed your business. As other pointed out it was always picking up the pennies that they didn't want until those pennies became dollars.

The concern now is that other small team or solo developers can rebuild what you have very quickly. This happened in the mobile space with all the decompiled and repacked (with min changes) apps that showed up in the stores.

The moat for SaaS startups was that the code is hidden. Now that matters less because people use AI to try and reverse engineer your backend from the API or even UI screenshots.

You have to pick up the pace to keep ahead of them and make sure you don't cause problems for customers while doing it.

canadiantim•1h ago
Isn't it the opposite? E.g. there is very little moat left and small companies or individuals can copy any product big or small in no time?
lettergram•1h ago
There's still plenty of moats frankly, same moats as before. What isn't the moat is the software development time.

In our case, we're building a tool that has a moat from: integrations, multiple parties connecting, and others

It's very sticky once we get in, and has nothing to do with the software so much as legal, company policy and inter party communication

notepad0x90•1h ago
So long as it's not about AI. The world hasn't run out of problems that could be solved or improved by software.
ipnon•59m ago
You can get the same output as $500k/year of software engineers for $2.4k/year now. Never been better if you ask me!
SilverElfin•55m ago
This is the problem with big concentration of wealth and power. The big tech mega corps can copy your idea easily because they don’t have any budget, they can undercut you or sell at a loss, and they can distribute it to all their current customers with anti competitive bundling.

It has happened over and over many times and American antitrust law is useless. The largest corporations must be broken up, taxed heavily, and regulated in new ways. Otherwise there is no fair competition or level playing field for startups.

w10-1•48m ago
You're asking what's a defensible value-add, but without really framing current business conditions or issues.

Time - opportunity - matters a lot, perhaps more than anything. And to face that, one needs to ask better questions (even if you're just polling).

rTX5CMRXIfFG•42m ago
"Current business conditions or issues" -- I think that's because OP wants you to fill that in yourself, so that you might explain your assumptions or the market potential that you see, which might be wildly different from his (i.e. software having little to no moat)
paulddraper•47m ago
The serious answer:

The value cannot be just the software. E.g. some workflow tool (Salesforce). These tools will continue to exist for awhile but any customer capable of moving off of it to a startup version, can probably make their own startup version, tailored to them.

Now, if you offer something besides the software — logistics, networks, financial instruments, regulatory compliance, physical goods, compute, etc — that has value besides the software.

But the five billionth workflow automation tool has fast diminishing value in 2026.

jongjong•39m ago
I would strongly recommend staying away from software startups unless:

- The CEO of some major corporation or a big VC is a close friend or friend of your family.

- You are rich and have a lot of friends who will buy your product.

- You already finished the MVP; which you started building 12 years ago... Might as well try to complete.

- You're a criminal.

The market is insanely saturated and people already have more stuff than they need. Capitalism has been over since 2008. Now it's just feudalism. Product is irrelevant; it's all a social game of selection. You have to be selected. You just need to know someone and have a product with a semi-reasonable narrative that your CEO buddy can use as a justification to give you company money. That's it.

rramadass•1m ago
The real question to ask is;

Is it still worth pursuing a software startup ... using the same strategies/approach/mindset/tools/means/methods of yesteryears?

Answer is Yes for the first part and No for the second part.

Problems which need software solutions and/or have a software component (at this point, practically everything) still exist in plenty. AI/ML has only changed the playing field drastically. It cannot understand the intent behind the problem which is a uniquely Human Dilemma. This is where the opportunities lie; understanding different Problem/Business Domains by studying and closely interacting with possible clients and coming up with tailored solutions whether domain-specific or client-specific.

The emphasis now is on better problem understanding/specification/verification (DSLs/notations/diagrams etc.) and faster iteration to a MVP. AI/ML is a great help here but the cycle is initiated by a Human who is always in the loop and steers it on the right trajectory in the state space of possible solutions.

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