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Becoming a Whorelord: The Overly Analytical Guide to Escorting (2021)

https://knowingless.com/2021/10/19/becoming-a-whorelord-the-overly-analytical-guide-to-escorting/
26•andsoitis•5h ago

Comments

everybodyknows•4h ago
2021
Drupon•1h ago
After I learned about her childhood, a lot of her most odious writing online, particularly coming up with poll after poll about hypotheticals in which it might be ok for an adult to have sex with a child [1] [2] [3], made much more sense. She is still dealing with the trauma, trying to bargain with it (the polls on Twitter), trying to gain control over it (much of her personal sexual expression involves simulating what happened again in a controlled setting), and completely in denial about it which means that she's causing harm to people who read these kinds of discussions and don't know this, whether she understands it or not.

Best to just avoid her altogether online.

1: https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1643703433516441602

2: https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1721238228458430785

3: https://substack.com/home/post/p-161405272

JasonADrury•1h ago
Yeah, the polls are weird, but I'm not sure your armchair psychologists interpretation of her life is any less weird.
Drupon•1h ago
You don't think that being molested by your grandfather might have something to do with replaying that molestation obsessively throughout your life, and trying to come up with hypotheticals in which it can actually be ok?

I'm just operating at the preponderance of evidence level here, and it seems far more likely to be to case that extreme childhood sexual caused the extreme sexual deviation. Do your P(A|B) work here, it's not hard, given the small probability of both of those things.

JasonADrury•1h ago
Even if you're correct that her being abused in her childhood is related to her choice of career, what do you think you're adding to the conversation by bringing that up?

What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child? That's really the only takeaway from your comment here, that people shouldn't read her writing about prostitution as a business because she was abused as a child. That seems particularly nasty on your part, even if unintentional.

Drupon•59m ago
>related to her choice of career

Didn't imply this. However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution.

>What are you actually trying to do here besides shame her for having been abused as a child?

Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously.

JasonADrury•56m ago
>Warn others that she is dangerous and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Is this post dangerous? You certainly didn't refer to any particular dangerous content, just shouting about a couple of weird tweets doesn't seem very useful.

I really don't get it, unless you're specifically upset by her quite reasonable post about AI generated child pornography, but that'd be weird.

> However, the science is that childhood sexual abuse is an antecedent to prostitution.

Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation.

Drupon•38m ago
>Even if a causal relationship has been proven, that doesn't mean any correlation implies causation.

This is HN, not a psychology conference or a therapy session. Feel free to accept or reject my level of epistemological rigor. I just know my priors, and honestly I don't see the value in continuing this conversation if you don't (or pretend you don't). If a lifetime alcoholic died of liver failure, it's entirely possible that he got hepatitis, but I'm going to go ahead and say it was the alcohol and treat any quibbling about causation and correlation as an irrelevant diversion.

JasonADrury•31m ago
Even if you were correct, none of that really seems relevant wrt the actual content of this blog post.
JuniperMesos•1h ago
Regardless of whether or not your assessment of her internal mental state is true (and I think this is a very hard thing to be sure you're assessing correctly), I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations, even if you personally find them distasteful.
Drupon•1h ago
>I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations

She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. When I read her rationalizations and hypothetical moral scenarios, I am just reminded of the arguments from the New Left, including many of the voices of the French petition to remove the age of consent, that offered specious sophistry to not just sway others into allowing them to prey on children, but to encourage others with similar predilections to do so without moral qualms.

A good specific example was the placing of orphans in the homes of known sex offenders in East Germany, with the rationalization that it's better than the orphans endure a bit of sexual impropriety than to suffer negligence, which is a very Aella style argument.

defrost•1h ago
Can you link to the tweet / blog post in which Aella advocated for the actual placement of real children with known sex offenders?
Drupon•57m ago
You think Aella lived in East Germany? Obviously I was giving an example of a different situation in which her kind of specious moral reasoning resulted in the enablement of child sexual abuse.
defrost•50m ago
Obviously I didn't think Aella lives in East Germany for a single moment.

I was interested in your reasoning as you appeared to be off on a tangent making what is known as a strawman argument.

Drupon•34m ago
If you cannot see the shared characteristics of the two cases, then I really have nothing to say to you. It would be impossible to sufficiently simplify the analogy.

In the future, if you don't understand, ask for clarification rather than wasting my time with a disingenuous question that requires a full comment round trip to get past.

nilum•54m ago
You have no idea how many men are going to find this and be emboldened by it. Men seek permission from women when it comes to pushing sexual boundaries.

I don't care what her mental state is. She needs to be banned from the Internet.

JasonADrury•35m ago
Emboldened to ... spend money on prostitutes?
Drupon•29m ago
Ignoring that I think spending money on prostitutes is unethical as labor is coerced (either work or starve), meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this), the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children. I have said it elsewhere, but this kind of specious moral pondering was employed extensively by groups like NAMBLA and others in the 20th century to provide moral cover for themselves.
JasonADrury•20m ago
> meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this)

In a world where all labor is slave labor, rape presumably isn't particularly frowned upon. If I'm going to accept your premise that basically everything I have in life is obtained through coercion, why would I object to obtaining sex that way?

> the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children

One of these is not like the other. People advocating for AI generated child pornography are generally doing so as a means of reducing the frequency of people actually having sex with children.

"AI generated CSAM" is an oxymoron FWIW, it's impossible to sexually abuse a child which does not exist.

paganel•1h ago
Thought that this Aella at first, too bad that this is indeed her. Pretty sad and bleak story, hope her life will become better and more fulfilled, I genuinely do.
JasonADrury•1h ago
Damn, that's a damning screenshot from the cop forum https://i0.wp.com/knowingless.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10...

>As an aside, for as long as my fake escort page was up, I was getting text messages to the GV number from guys in this other state trying to set up dates. would run their phone numbers and find out who they were, it was amazing how much some of them stood to lose if they were caught.

It's incredible to see cops just openly bragging about abusing the access they have.

immibis•1h ago
What else would you expect from cops? Why do you think people say ACAB?
isolli•1h ago
What does BP mean, in the context of the screenshot?
JasonADrury•1h ago
backpage.com
dzmien•1h ago
BP stands for Backpage, a now defunct online classifieds site, which was utilized by sex workers of all kinds in its heyday.
nikanj•56m ago
That screenshot was really high on the "weird dude power fantasy" scale. I find it very hard to believe that a cop could waste that much effort trying to burn a single prostitute.

Being a cop is a job, and at your job your boss is on your case about productivity and numbers. "I'm setting up a fake john in a different state to try to snare a single lady for prostitution" just does not move the needle enough to justify the effort

But as a "I hate whores and dream I was a cop with the power to mess with them" fantasy that screenshot works really well

JasonADrury•38m ago
That forum post was made by George Erdel of the Beaufort Police Department, an actual cop.
Sam6late•1h ago
Which professions are similar on mileage here? I think Chappelle was spot on, when he used the book ‘The Story of My Life by Iceberg Slim’ to confront the entertainment industry highlighting a concept from the book regarding "mileage on a hoe" (prostitute). He explains that a pimp understands there is a finite amount of "bad things" or work a person can endure before they "lose it" or break down.
isolli•55m ago
Previously discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28924751
waffleiron•17m ago
I know we are currently very early in the comment section, but I cant help compare and notice the shift in tone and response.
comrade1234•41m ago
She's not making $1200/hr. Total b.s.
JasonADrury•33m ago
Why wouldn't she? That's hardly crazy for any bigger city, and she's got a massive online following.

Even if she looks a bit more plain than the average girl charging that much, there's a plenty of customers who want just that and her platform is massive.

greggsy•5m ago
I know literally nothing about the financial aspects of the industry.

Can you expand the on that?

my_throwaway23•37m ago
I'm not sure how to begin to describe the feeling of reading an analytical take on working as an escort. Weird.

Side note: Every single AMA/QA with a prostitute I've seen I've posted a question I'm anxious to know the answer to, but my question has consistently not received any reply. In essence; Every single job I've ever had has left me with a little bit of muscle memory - a key combination here, a routine there. When working as a prostitute, what are the small little things you're left with that might stay with you for quite a bit after your... career has moved on?

Alas, I suspect there's no easy answer to it, considering, well...

JasonADrury•26m ago
I'm not a prostitute, but I'd guess you'll develop muscle memory for the condoms. Sure, you can get better at sex too, but it's going to be difficult to put most of those lessons into words.

As a woman, you're likely to end up learning a lot of things about personal hygiene that'll stay with you.

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