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SmartOS

https://docs.smartos.org/
85•ofrzeta•2h ago

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QuantumNomad_•1h ago
I remember several years ago, SmartOS was being mentioned many times on HN.

Joyent, the company behind SmartOS, was since acquired, and I don’t usually see anyone talking about SmartOS nowadays.

Is anyone on HN using SmartOS these days?

EvanAnderson•1h ago
I have a personal box I keep updated running some utility zones and a couple VMs. I enjoy the tooling very much but it's so niche that I'm wary of using it for Customer engagements.

I never used Solaris in my real life but I can understand the appeal for people who did.

rjzzleep•1h ago
It was acquired by Samsung, which is notoriously bad at open source. But the reason why it quietly faded into the background wasn't that. It was that Joyent's ex Sun people had an annoying elitism that made them not care about working with the community.
boricj•1h ago
It was acquired again in 2022 by MNX [1].

[1] https://www.tritondatacenter.com/blog/a-new-chapter-begins-f...

ofrzeta•1h ago
Thanks, I missed that one.
linksnapzz•1h ago
(citation needed)
ofrzeta•1h ago
Many/Some of them are now working at https://oxide.computer

https://oxide.computer/blog/engineering-culture

itsanaccount•31m ago
I mean when you're that far ahead of the class is it any wonder?
mirashii•1h ago
Certainly Oxide computer company has some use of illumos still, which is strongly related to SmartOS
cthalupa•40m ago
Home stuff was the last holdout for me, but even that has been replaced by Proxmox these days. I used SmartOS for a solid 7-8 years, though, and like it for most of that time.

I couldn't point to any one single major reason that prompted the switch - just lots of small annoyances stemming from the world expecting you to be running Linux instead of Solaris, and once you move away from zones, you lose one of the most compelling reasons for being on SmartOS

nZac•1h ago
> SmartOS is a "live OS", it is always booted via PXE, ISO, or USB Key and runs entirely from memory, allowing the local disks to be used entirely for hosting virtual machines without wasting disks for the root OS.

Does anyone know if something like this is possible with Proxmox? I've got three servers I'm thinking of setting up as a small cluster and would like to boot them from a single image instead of manually setting PVE on each. Ansible or salt is an option but that tends to degrade over time.

xenophonf•1h ago
You can boot ProxMox VMs via PXE:

https://blog.kail.io/pxe-booting-on-proxmox.html

But why bother? A read-only disk image would be simpler.

jeffbee•1h ago
It depends on what "this" you meant, but in general the ways of netbooting an OS are many and varied. You'd have to declare what kind of root device you ultimately want, such as root on iSCSI.

Personally, I feel that "smartOS does not support booting from a local block device like a normal, sane operating system" might be a drawback and is a peculiar thing to brag about.

cyberpunk•1h ago
There was a brilliant incident back in the joyent days where they accidentally rebooted an entire datacenter and ended up dossing their dhcp server ;)
nZac•50m ago
What I'm looking to achieve are three identical proxmox host boxes. As soon as you finish the install you now have three snowflakes no matter how hard you try.

In the case of smartOS (which I've never used) it would seem like that is achieved in the design because the USB isn't changing. Reboot and you are back to a clean slate.

Isn't this how game arcades boot machines? They all netboot from a single image for the game you have selected? That is what it seems smartOS is doing but maybe I'm missing the point.

keeganpoppen•1h ago
wait this seems totally awesome? i hadnt remembered until reading the comments now that this was a joyent thing, and that somehow it has largely disappeared despite seeming like an awesome way to do all sorts of things.
ofrzeta•1h ago
I was intrigued by the idea that in the Manta object store you could schedule computations on the storage nodes. However I am not sure how much improvement that brings in practice. Any practical experience with this?

https://apidocs.tritondatacenter.com/manta/index.html

cyberpunk•1h ago
I did use it on a project, it was meh, alright? In the end the main cost of our processing wasn’t storage latency but code, and this quite arcane scheduler was a barrier too much for most of our team.

I believe it was removed shortly after i left the project..

sneak•1h ago
So, Solaris > OpenSolaris > Illumos > SmartOS? Do I have that right?
linolevan•47m ago
I believe SmartOS is a distro of Illumos (in the same way that debian is a distro of linux).
nwilkens•1h ago
SmartOS is the core operating system for Triton datacenter -- https://www.tritondatacenter.com Triton is the orchestration of SmartOS compute nodes.

Code + issues are active under https://github.com/TritonDataCenter (smartos-live, illumos-joyent, triton, etc.), and docs are at https://docs.smartos.org/.

SmartOS is released every two weeks, and Triton is released every 8 weeks -- see https://www.tritondatacenter.com/downloads

And Triton object storage will have S3 support in the next release!

[edit: removed semicolon from link!]

nwilkens•59m ago
The SmartOS release changelog for reference: https://us-central.manta.mnx.io/Joyent_Dev/public/SmartOS/sm...
effdee•24m ago
The first link's broken as it includes the semicolon.
re-lre-l•42m ago
I am a huge fan of SmartOS. Back in the 2010s (around 2012), I was advocating its use in production at a small startup I worked. The SunOS kernel, ZFS, zero install, immutable core, convenient way to manage containers and VMs together - all of this looked great on paper, especially containers.

In reality, I ended up running almost everything in VMs. The only thing worked well natively was nginx. MongoDB, Mysql, even our php backend (some libraries) had issues, unfortunately.

A year ago, I considered SmartOS again as a home lab driver, and no success again, Linux just has better support: drivers, pci passthrough, etc... and now with containers+vm through Proxmox or anything else. You can even run a k8s+kubevirt with zfs practically out of the box as a complete overkill though.

tombert•12m ago
Genuine question: in 2026, what does SmartOS (or any other Illumos/Solaris OS) buy you over something like Linux or FreeBSD?

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