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European Alternatives

https://european-alternatives.eu
128•s_dev•3h ago

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s_dev•3h ago
Same submission from a few years ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29627097

What's insightful to me is how fast the list of alternatives are growing.

The list is much better now than 2021 and we still have a long way to go.

Also Constantin Graf needs to add a new Category: "LLM Clients" or "AI Tooling"

enopod_•2h ago
Wow, nice! Great resource, thanks a lot!
oulipo2•1h ago
If you want an EU-made (and repairable!) e-bike battery, check what we're building at https://infinite-battery.com :)
pjmlp•1h ago
Categories missing:

- Operating systems, for various kinds of workloads

- Programming language toolchains

- Hardware vendors

jimnotgym•53m ago
I don't see the issue with Operating systems or programming languages. There are FOSS alternatives and since they are run locally have no connection outside of the EU.

Hardware vendors is a different issue

pjmlp•34m ago
You are missing the big picture who develops them, pays the salaries of people in the trenches, implement LSPs, and whatever else around the ecosystems.

Example, Java, .NET, Go and co are FOSS, how long do you think they will keep on going without their overlords?

For complete alternatives we need to go back to the cold war days, where programming languages were driven by vendor neutral standards, and there were several to buy from.

As it is, it suffices to take the air out of existing FOSS options.

Even if you quickly point out to GCC and clang, one reason why they have dropped implementation velocity from existing ISO revisions is due to a few well known big corps focusing on their own offerings, while other vendors seldom upstream stuff as they focus on clang.

EDIT: As I missed this on the first comment, same applies to the big FOSS OS projects, most contributions to the major Linux distros, or the BSDs come from non European companies, there is naturally something like SuSE, but then we get into the whole who is allowed to contribute, security, backdoors and related stuff.

pjc50•11m ago
Open source generally meets the needs of the first two. There's barely any proprietary toolchains left in common use; maybe Oracle Java is one of the last?

Hardware you can buy from China. Distant, predictable authoritarianism that doesn't make annoying social media posts is sadly preferable to .. whatever is going on over there.

tarkin2•1h ago
Using a French server has been a pain. Their level of customer service is much worse than that in the US sadly
jimnotgym•1h ago
Have you tried Hetzner
tarkin2•50m ago
No, I was looking for a French one. I'll persist with this for a while and then switch if things don't get better. Thanks
s_dev•34m ago
Scaleway is slick. It's like a European Digital Ocean.
cthulberg•47m ago
OVH? I hate the dashboard, but the support seems fine to me.
retired•47m ago
I like it. No fake smiles, no tip required. They can be a bit grumpy but French food is amazing which makes up for it.
breezykoi•39m ago
That's what I like in the US: the servers are so friendly... and yes, I know it’s all for the tip.
GlacierFox•35m ago
Well they're not friendly then are they? It's an act to get a tip - and if you don't you get chased down the street.
embedding-shape•40m ago
"French server", what is that? Usually we judge customer service on the company, not the nationality of the hardware, care to share exactly where you had a bad experience?
retired•49m ago
Is there a European alternative for this website?
noodlebird•40m ago
techposts.eu i reckon
breezykoi•37m ago
journalduhacker.net (in french)
drnick1•35m ago
The irony is that European alternatives are still in English, when no European country (since the departure of the U.K. from Europe) actually uses that language.
s_dev•32m ago
Ireland and Malta.

You would be shocked at how well certain nationalities like the Dutch and Swedes speak English.

bradyd•30m ago
The UK is still in Europe. They didn't move from the continent.
retired•29m ago
It has been around 300 million years since the UK drifted away from continental Europe but it is still very much part of it!
tene80i•28m ago
The UK did not leave Europe. Just the EU. But also English fluency is widespread, so it’s not a bad starting point.
dpassens•26m ago
Except for Ireland.
loehnsberg•29m ago
Isn't it sad that we now have Russian, Chinese, American, European, etc alternatives? I mean I get it, Sept 11 paved the way for FISA orders and NSA overreach, Russia and China reverted back into dictatorship, but Europe is also at the edge. Shouldn't we rather fight that nationalistic power grab that just makes us all poorer and less free? And instead propagate global alternatives that are not subjected by some power-hungry state-/capital-sponsored overlord?
AndroTux•24m ago
Competition is always good. It's sad that there's been so little alternatives in the past. I'm glad that this is now slowly changing.

What we should work towards, though, is interoperability and open source solutions.

Archelaos•18m ago
[delayed]
NoboruWataya•13m ago
This might be possible for software, if we assume that being open source can protect software from state or corporate control (doubtful to be honest). For other things I don't really see how it would work. Your hardware has to be manufactured somewhere, your infrastructure has to be located somewhere.

It is not "nationalistic" to prefer things that are made in Europe. Europe is not a nation and very few people feel anything close to national pride about it. I like that we have European alternatives instead of German, French, Swedish, etc, alternatives.

nolok•10m ago
I'm really not sad about having alternative and choices, especially it also leads to reduce corporate overlordship.
madwolf•8m ago
What are global alternatives? Every company is connected to some country, there are no global alternatives. I live in EU and want to use EU services mainly because I want this part of the world to prosper. I want to leave my money and incentivise innovation in this part of the world because this is where I live and I want a better life here for me and my kids. And alternatives are always good, especially that they’re not closed. People in the US can use services from EU companies as well :) why not?

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