We decided we'd just stay out late, then go to the airport and wait it out for our flight. After some effort trying to sleep on hard plastic benches in the airport Burger King (where Michael Jackson's Thriller was playing loudly on repeat, I do not know why), I pulled out my 12" PowerBook and found out via that site that the airport had a meditation room with dim lighting, soft carpet, and no Michael Jackson. Ahh.
My main memory of LAX was being accosted by Hare Krishnas.
But the cost (unless free) often ends up being somewhat similar to just parking at the bar anyway.
I prefer to not arrive THAT early. Maybe if I had more layovers I’d care more about it.
I somehow got interested by quote and searched it (as is?) on duckduckgo to find a relevant reddit discussion where people were (are?) discussing trains and many other things.
Interesting quote to say the least. Here's the relevant reddit discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hqtgyg/tuesd...
https://www.afar.com/magazine/a-look-inside-portland-oregons...
The interior woodwork is expansive and impressive.
Airports are designed to keep large groups of passengers moving as efficiently as possible, and as a result they need to make some tradeoffs. Airports aren't and shouldn't really be designed for sleeping - there's a thing called hotels for that. A lot of airports have capsule hotels paid per hour for exactly this purpose.
The root cause seems to be airlines aren't actually forced to provide enough compensation to cover a hotel. Regulation would be a much easier solution than redesigning airport to accommodate sleeping.
Only complaint I agree with is the "please do not leave your bags unattended" spam on the PA. Whoever came up with that idea deserves a couple years of solitary confinement with said PA in the cell, for increasing the danger due to alert fatigue and people completely tuning out the PA, making the channel completely worthless.
Airports almost always sell everything at vastly inflated prices and are designed to take every penny off you. At Edinburgh Airport, some years ago, the staff were even disallowed free drinking water from a bar even though the entire place is full of air conditioning. No idea if that has changed but heard that off someone who worked there.
Compared to every railway station I've seen, airports are 5-star resorts. Bus terminals are even worse than railway stations.
The only thing they compare favourably with are shopping centres. A horrible place to spend several hours or more. Noisy, expensive, usually sterile and ugly. Not my idea of fun. Little or no natural beauty (I gather Singapore and some others have tried to turn this around.)
They also feel like a kind of police state.
Also, every time I visit a new airport in the US, it comes to mind how damn near every medium-sized city has a sprawling, fairly clean, air-conditioned airport, with shops and seating, usually open 24 hours. The Amtrak stations in those same cities, if they exist, are usually one-room buildings that close for most of the day. The Greyhound station is nowadays usually just a spot on the side of the road.
Why the disparity? I guess there are just that many more people flying than taking the bus or train? (Built-in security and a generally richer clientele certainly help too, I'm sure)
The expensive stores are a good point though, I always bring in my own food.
My last trip was at xmas and I was waiting for the bus back to home. I decided to stretch my legs and went to the kids arcade. I put a quid in to a mechanical fortune teller machine which freaked on me and refused to tell me my fortune.
It ripped me off a quid and I missed the bus back home.
i took a very uncomfortable nap on the floor that day.
P.S. It's not just America. I flew through the Middle East once on my way to eastern Asia. The flight landed at something like 3:30 AM local time, and the security checkpoint didn't open until 4 AM or 5 AM or something like that. There were so many people waiting in line for that checkpoint, it was getting dangerously overcrowded in that hallway, with more and more people arriving down the escalator all the time. Thankfully nobody fainted or fell, but it could have been a bad situation there.
That one, sure, but I'm referring to a few major hubs where 10-15 aeroplanes arrive before or within the first 15 minutes after they open
That works in USA where every international arrival has to be able to, and does, go landside.
In the more advanced world, you may only have authorization to stay in the terminal. Dunno what they do when shtf and people will be stuck for a few days.
So the US never felt the need to build airports with dedicated international zones.
Most other large transit hubs have some sort of visa-on-arrival (Turkey, Dubai, South Korea, etc).
Often you don’t need one to transit: e.g. I put some sketchy countries here as a transit passenger: https://www.netherlandsworldwide.nl/visa-the-netherlands/vis...
But I've never seen a capsule hotel business within the airport bounds itself despite there being many stories of people wanting to sleep at the airport.
However, one of the big players in this space (Aerotel) nearly went belly up during COVID and cut their offerings drastically. They seem to be recovering though: https://www.myaerotel.com/en-uk
If you ever find yourself in this position, just leave the airport and get a motel room. The US doesn't even have exit immigration, so it's not like they were stuck on the wrong side with a used visa.
The OP's About page notes that they're currently unemployed and living off savings, so I'll cut them some slack, although I'm not entirely sure how that's compatible with international travel from New Zealand to the US.
I also find it incredible that the airline can just delay a flight by 24 hours and offer no compensation or accommodation whatsoever, since in most of the world this would absolutely not, ahem, fly.
Premium airlines usually offer you compensation: a meal, and a voucher for a hotel stay, depending on the cause of the delay. Very likely miles or voucher for a future flight.
If your flight is to or from EU, you are entitled to more compensation by law IIRC.
I've never understood why First and Business Class that are so clearly mainly used by people travelling for work don't focus more on the business aspect. British Airways call it "Club" which I'm sure can only make it harder to be approved by finance. American call it "First".
In the main lounges provided by American Airlines there is often a person whose job it is to provide unlimited champagne but not a comfortable place to respond to emails.
US "First class" is typically a misnomer.
I spent so much much time, money and effort abusing mileage programs between like 2009-2016. I think the the whole thing started with the oil glut following the 2008 crisis.
E.g. US Airways Dividend Miles (USDM) was a goldmine. They kept having these sales where you could buy "miles" for extremely advantageous rates. You could then redeem those "miles" in their partner airlines' flights. They were buttering themselves up to be bought by AA. This went on for years.
End result: You'd pay maybe 1400USD for a return first class ticket on e.g. Qatar Airlines between Copenhagen-Doha-Tokyo, or something similar. If you'd buy a ticket it would be 3-5x more.
I think a lot of the humor would be lost because he couldn't get his camp stove in to cook. Or maybe he could, but would risk arrest if caught with it...
Very small and lightweight. Takes the edge off of a hard floor.
I think its a deep disillusionment with society that makes this attractive. Same reason i fantasize about having an isolated homestead, or being stranded on an island and thriving, or why i like being up at night when everyone else is asleep. A simple escape from society and its slings and arrows
With the armrests you can kinda double wedge yourself on them. I got 2 decent hours in the lima airport doing this. They had the similar double seat with no armrest setup.
I got to ORD at 4am for a 7am flight and purposfully fell asleep on the ground in front of the check in desk figuring they'd wake me up. Eventually they did. The attendant woke me up and said "do you happen to be on this flight". I pointed at the first class ticket hanging out of my shirt pocket. "Good thing I checked we're closing the door now". I was like "I figured you'd maybe wake up the person in front of the desk I've been up for 38 hours." "oh you were sleeping I didn't want to bother you".
The entire flight had boarded and just walked around me. I was OUT.
Le Sigh.
The biggest problem? You might fall so deeply asleep you miss your actual flight, no matter how much it is delayed by.
Every airport should have these.
I normally can’t sleep on planes, but I did have lounge access and the lounge offered unlimited whiskey shots, and it’s not like I had to work the next day, so my brilliant idea was that I would get drunk enough so that I could sleep on the plane.
By 11:45pm I am pretty toasted, so I make my way to the gate. About a minute after I arrive, they make an announcement that my flight has been delayed nine hours, so not until 9am the next morning. So here I am, with a backpack, getting progressively drunker as more alcohol is being digested in my gut, and having no idea what to do for the next nine hours.
All the lounges were closed, and I was uncomfortable sleeping in public because I was afraid someone would steal my laptop out of my bag, so for the next nine hours, I drunkenly cabotaged the entire Atlanta airport I don’t know how many times. I would walk around one terminal, then get on the little underground train and do it again, repeated for the next nine hours, with a 45 minute break to puke.
I don’t drink at all anymore and that event is a not-insignificant reason as to why.
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