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Repatriate the gold': German economists advise withdrawal from US vaults

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/repatriate-the-gold-german-economists-advise-withdrawal-from-us-vaults
42•vinni2•2h ago

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drumhead•2h ago
Or move it to Canada. One of the advantages of the US was that it was far from Europe and safe in case of invasion or war. The US clearly cant be trusted anymore , but Canada can, and it also across the atlantic.
maxilevi•1h ago
Canada wouldn't be able to defend from an invasion
Hikikomori•1h ago
And dont give trump any more reasons.
gucci-on-fleek•1h ago
An invasion from who? I agree with you that Canada couldn't defend against an invasion from the US, but I also don't think that any country without nuclear weapons could defend against an invasion from the US. But I think that Canada could probably defend itself from an invasion from most other countries—the Canadian military is generally competent, and NATO and NORAD would almost certainly offer assistance.

Even then, who would want to invade Canada? Despite the recent political blustering, it seems incredibly unlikely that the US would invade Canada, and the only other plausible invader that I can think of right now is Russia, but their military isn't doing very well at all right now.

toyg•1h ago
If the threat model is "the US goes rogue and does crazy stuff", Canada is a prime risk of suffering from such madness, so moving your resources there doesn't really change anything.
gucci-on-fleek•59m ago
Agreed, but I'd argue that there's a big difference between the US making it difficult to access gold reserves stored there and invading/blockading Canada to the point where gold reserves stored there are unusable. The first seems unlikely but possible, while the second seems almost unimaginable, and even if the second does happen, I'd be more concerned about access to food/medicine than access to gold reserves.

(Although I'm Canadian, so this may perhaps just be wishful thinking on my part)

expedition32•1h ago
The Netherlands has spread it's gold in London, Canada and New York.

This policy came from the late 1930s when secretly the government knew that Germany was likely going to invade.

causalscience•1h ago
Wait, I've watched this episode before. The US owed France large amount of gold (the legal mechanism for this was called "the dollar"). France asked to redeem their dollars for gold, and the US said "nah, we're keeping it, enjoy your dollars".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock#American_policy_re...

hliyan•1h ago
That was the end of the US dollar convertibility to gold. This, unless I'm mistaken is actual French property held in US vaults.
dtech•1h ago
The fear in non-US nations is that the US will not respect the agreements and refuse to hand over the gold if requested. Given all the Trump admin is doing, I don't think it's unjustified
cap11235•36m ago
Or given every past refusal. Trump's a next level on top of that. A nice layer of shit icing
sph•44m ago
Tangentially related to the above Wikipedia article: https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
evanjrowley•1h ago
Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46741989
rwmj•1h ago
Is there any point to a country having gold reserves? What is it being kept for? (Genuine questions, looking for factual answers)
cdecker•1h ago
Stores of value are, for the most part, societal constructs. Anything has value as long as there is somebody willing to exchange something of theirs for it. That's also what makes value intangible as there is a built-in subjectivity in this.

Gold falls into the category "has always had value, so it will always have value" type of thoughts. And that's just what gives it value, out confidence that we can exchange it for something when you need it.

dtech•1h ago
It's almost the definition of a store of value. If it was actually useful it's called a strategic reserve, like for oil.
eesmith•34m ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_reserve

> A strategic reserve can be ... A commodity, such as intervention stocks of food or petrol ...

> Examples of commodity reserves: Global strategic petroleum reserves ... Gold reserve

toyg•1h ago
It can be used as a collateral for loans, last resort for currency buybacks, emergency resource in times of war... Mostly it's a reputational tool to inspire faith in the country's creditworthiness.
evolve2k•1h ago
Intangible financial systems rest (simplistically speaking) on fundamental concepts of trust and reliability (aka what I expect to happen will happen).

Once these factors start to breakdown, all these intangible forms of holding wealth loose value. Gold remains as a significant reliable long term store of value.

Hence it’s worth maintaining by a nation.

LunaSea•1h ago
Ask Russia, they are making bank on it. Especially with the rubble not being worth much.
rwmj•13m ago
Are they? I would have thought that Russia's oil exports to countries that are ignoring/bypassing sanctions are far more valuable to them.
arter45•1h ago
Central banks do a lot of things, including buying and selling currency with foreign partners. If you’re trading using weak or unstable currencies, gold may be a useful alternative.
GuestFAUniverse•1h ago
Sell. It's the cheapest option vs. moving (high risk). $164 billions would make a nice investment into infrastructure without touching their "Sondervermögen".
toyg•1h ago
Selling that amount of gold would crash the price, devaluing their other reserves too.

What they have to do is move, but quietly, without announcing it.

GuestFAUniverse•13m ago
Not all at once, obviously.
youngtaff•53m ago
Gold is moved around the world all the time
GuestFAUniverse•2m ago
Yet it's costly -- albeit they might get special conditions.

I hold Xetra Gold (tax free gains after 12mon). Some argue it's safe, because it can be delivered to the relationship bank: it's not really, it's uneconomical, at least for average Joe (~3% up to ~20% of value, heavily depending on denomination).

cap11235•35m ago
Repatriate the Cairo Museum
surgical_fire•29m ago
lol I doubt the US will honor this agreement.

It is a profoundly untrustworthy country.

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