These projects are extremely expensive and the findings can alter humanity itself. That's why private donors sounds a bit sketchy
murkt•1h ago
How can they alter humanity? What's the difference for humanity since CERN found Higgs particle? In what ways could the potential dark matter particle detection alter humanity?
niemandhier•1h ago
It’s a place where extremely skilled people work highly motivated on humanities hardest problems at scale.
CERN pushed distributed computing and storage before anyone else hat problems on that scale.
CERN pushed edge computing for massive data analysis before anyone else even generated data at that rate.
CERN is currently pushing the physical boundaries of device synchronisation ( Check „ White Rabbit“ ), same for data transmission.
CERNS accelerator cooling tech paves the way for industrial super cooling, magnet coils push super conduction…
Companies are always late in the game, they come once there is money to be had:
No one founded a fusion startup until we were close enough to the relevant tripple product.
vjvjvjvjghv•1h ago
Seems these are all positive things and it’s good that private donors are adding some money.
sylware•55m ago
You are perfectly right, this has been similar to the "space industry" (which includes 'ballistic nukes' knowhow maintainance). The thing with a bigger collider is it seems there are, not that honnest, scientists retro-fitting models in order to reach 'appropriate for this new collider' energy ranges where 'new physics' could be found.
XorNot•21m ago
What does that even mean? The FCC is essentially the next plausible energy range we can probe with a collider.
Going larger would cost more, and add risk.
So like, yes? The obvious thing to do is to analyze our models and come up with experiments to do within energy ranges which are plausibly accessible with near future technology.
sylware•4m ago
This is where there is a questionable issue: some network of dishonest scientists may have retro-fitted the models in order to get realitic energy ranges for this new collider.
zeristor•3m ago
I misread the first bit as the hardest problem in the Humanities.
I’m not sure I have any idea what the hardest problem in the humanities is.
mr_mitm•51m ago
In what way would studying black body radiation alter humanity? Oh just the basis for quantum mechanics and thus transistors, lasers, MRIs, photovoltaics, and more.
The point is, you don't know in advance. I admit it's a bit more far fetched with these experiments that are so far removed from everyday life, but they're still worthwhile.
hnthrow0287345•35m ago
Less that and more "we built a really complex machine and we can apply those skills elsewhere".
waihtis•54m ago
So complain to your government about their spending. Probably at least 30% of government spend is used on completely worthless or fraudulent things.
It's good that someone is funding this stuff.
dharma1•1h ago
“Eric Schmidt, who founded Google” no he didn’t
user3939382•8m ago
This should have a $1T budget not a B. We waste so much money on low efficiency computing infrastructure and energy that should be going to this.
Fh_•2h ago
murkt•1h ago
niemandhier•1h ago
CERN pushed distributed computing and storage before anyone else hat problems on that scale.
CERN pushed edge computing for massive data analysis before anyone else even generated data at that rate.
CERN is currently pushing the physical boundaries of device synchronisation ( Check „ White Rabbit“ ), same for data transmission. CERNS accelerator cooling tech paves the way for industrial super cooling, magnet coils push super conduction…
Companies are always late in the game, they come once there is money to be had: No one founded a fusion startup until we were close enough to the relevant tripple product.
vjvjvjvjghv•1h ago
sylware•55m ago
XorNot•21m ago
Going larger would cost more, and add risk.
So like, yes? The obvious thing to do is to analyze our models and come up with experiments to do within energy ranges which are plausibly accessible with near future technology.
sylware•4m ago
zeristor•3m ago
I’m not sure I have any idea what the hardest problem in the humanities is.
mr_mitm•51m ago
The point is, you don't know in advance. I admit it's a bit more far fetched with these experiments that are so far removed from everyday life, but they're still worthwhile.
hnthrow0287345•35m ago
waihtis•54m ago
It's good that someone is funding this stuff.