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Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

https://www.theverge.com/tech/865689/microsoft-claude-code-anthropic-partnership-notepad
53•Anon84•2h ago

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andyjohnson0•1h ago
https://archive.ph/vc3Cn
phito•1h ago
Well yeah, it is just better. At my work we have a copilot license, but we use it to access Claude Sonnet/Opus model in OpenCode.
azaras•1h ago
The Copilot-Cli is not so bad,

https://github.com/features/copilot/cli

hpdigidrifter•1h ago
Can't speak for copilot but Gemini cli is unbelievably bad compared to Gemini web.

CC has some magic secret sauce and I'm not sure what it is.

My company pays for both too, I keep coming back to Claude all-round

mcintyre1994•50m ago
Claude Code is one of a very few AI tools where I genuinely think the people at the company who build it use it all the time.
danw1979•44m ago
He does !

https://x.com/bcherny/status/2007179832300581177

k__•57m ago
It's sluggish in GitHub Codespaces, as it has so many animations.
dude250711•1h ago
We can certainly see, every Windows update requires flipping a coin now.
onion2k•1h ago
Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code." You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.
nrawe•1h ago
I've not heard that goal before. If true, it makes me sad to hear that once again, people confuse "More LOC == More Customer Value == More Profit". Sigh.
bondarchuk•1h ago
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/engineering-at-microsoft/welc...

"Microsoft has over 100,000 software engineers working on software projects of all sizes."

So that would mean 100 000 000 000 (100 billion) lines of code per month. Frightening.

kace91•1h ago
Absurd. The Linux kernel is 30 million, Postgres is 2, windows is assumed to be about 50.
conartist6•1h ago
No, no. 100 trillion lines of code per day is great! The only thing better would be 200 trillion ;)
Eddy_Viscosity2•57m ago
CEO: I want big numbers of things. Big numbers = success.
oleganza•1h ago
Maybe it means "LOCs changed"?
mjevans•54m ago
Mutate things so fast cancer looks like stable.
root_axis•1h ago
More likely those 100k engineers would shrink to 10k.
sarchertech•27m ago
Thats still 10 billion lines of code per month if that insane metric were a real goal (it’s not).

That’s 200 Windows’ worth of code every month.

clickety_clack•1h ago
With those kinds of numbers you don’t need logic anymore, just a lookup table with all possible states of the system.
FergusArgyll•45m ago
Maybe they can use 5 - 10 loc to move the classic window shell button so it's not on top of the widgets button
copilot_king_2•1h ago
> “My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030,” Microsoft Distinguished Engineer Galen Hunt writes in a post on LinkedIn. “Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases.

they're fucked

skandinaff•58m ago
Eliminate C/C++ in favor of what? Perhaps the plan is to use AI to write plain assembler? Why stop there, maybe let's do prompt in - machine-code out?
pjmlp•50m ago
Well, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmUprpjCWjM
Zardoz84•50m ago
If remember correctly, Rust.
mrbungie•1h ago
They took the stupidest metric ever and made a moronic target out of it.
reactordev•52m ago
That’s what MBAs do
sarchertech•1h ago
Looks like the guy who posted that updated his post to say he was just talking about a research project he is working on.
anonymous908213•54m ago
Which is a bald-faced lie written in response to a PR disaster. The original claims were not ambiguous:

> My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. Our North Star is “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code”.

Obviously, "every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" is not contained within a single research project, nor are "Microsoft's largest codebases".

sarchertech•25m ago
I mean 100% that was his goal. But that was one guy without the power to set company wide goals talking on LinkedIn.

The fact that there are distinguished engineers at MS who think that is a reasonable goal is frightening though.

smoe•57m ago
It is kind of funny that throughout my career, there has always been pretty much a consensus that lines of code are a bad metric, but now with all the AI hype, suddenly everybody is again like “Look at all the lines of code it writes!!”

I use LLMs all day every day, but measuring someone or something by the number of lines of code produced is still incredibly stupid, in my opinion.

reactordev•53m ago
Microsoft never got that memo. They still measure LoC because it’s all MBAs.
badgersnake•49m ago
We’re back to measuring productivity by lines of code are we? Because that always goes well.
m4rtink•48m ago
Cool - I was thinking it would be good for them to implode as a company due all the extra harmfull stuff they are doing with Windows recently.

Generating bilions of lines of code that is unmaintainable and buggy should easily achieve that. ;-)

javawizard•40m ago
I used to work at a place that had the famous Antoine de Saint-Exupéry quote painted near the elevators where everyone would see it when they arrived for work:

  Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
I miss those days.
the_duke•21m ago
Do you have a source for that?
lloydatkinson•1h ago
I have found that Claude Code is better in every way I've used it. I like to use LLM's just as an advanced refactoring tool, especially where plain string search isn't enough. Anyway, my first experience of Copilot was it plainly lying that it deleted files I asked it to, and it insisted the file no longer existed (it did).

The difference between the two is stark.

blibble•55m ago
"my turds now contains 15% candyfloss!"
fastThinking•1h ago
So Copilot is for customers, Claude is for getting actual work done?
k__•56m ago
Copilot isn't a model, you can use Claude via Copilot.
dataviz1000•1h ago
I installed Claude Code yesterday after the quality of VSCode Copilot Chat continuously is getting worse every release. I can't tell yet if Claude Code is better or not but VSCode Copilot Chat has become completely unusable. It would start making mistakes which would double the requests to Claude Opus 4.5 which in January is the only model that would work at all. I spent $400 in tokens in January.

I'll know better in a week. Hopefully I can get better results with the $200 a month plan.

oefrha•43m ago
Claude Code’s subscription pricing is pretty ridiculously subsidized compared to their API pricing if you manage to use anywhere close to the quota. Like 10x I think. Crazy value if you were using $400 in tokens.
dataviz1000•28m ago
I just upgraded to the $100 a month 5x plan 5 minutes ago.

Starting in October with Vscode Copilot Chat it was $150, $200, $300, $400 per month with the same usage. I thought they were just charging more per request without warning. The last couple weeks it seemed that vscode copilot was just fucking up making useless calls.

Perhaps, it wasn't a dark malicious pattern but rather incompetence that was driving up the price.

bakugo•1h ago
Explains why Windows updates have been more broken than usual lately.

But I guess having my computer randomly stop working because a billion dollar corporation needs to save money by using a shitty text generation algorithm to write code instead of hiring competent programmers is just the new normal now.

johnebgd•1h ago
I switched to Ubuntu last week for my desktop. First time in my 25+ year career I’ve felt like Microsoft was wasting my time more than administering a Linux desktop would take. The slop effect is real.
Eddy_Viscosity2•55m ago
Linux kernels will all eventually be permeated with AI-gen code as well. It will just take longer to see and feel the effects.
bflesch•52m ago
Your argument is in bad faith because you are using false equivalence bias.
Eddy_Viscosity2•40m ago
I wasn't making an argument. It was a prediction that all major software, (including the major linux distros) will eventually be majority (>50%) AI generated. Software that is 100% human generated will be like getting a hand knitted sweater at a farmers market. Available, but expensive and only produced at very small scale.
calgoo•50m ago
I'm sure there are a bunch of "Rust is better" people spending all their tokens on rewriting the Linux kernel as we speak.
pjmlp•51m ago
You might want to change to Debian or some other distro more radical.

https://ubuntu.com/ai

eklavya•39m ago
I am not getting what that linked url is supposed to mean. It is a very decent business page where ubuntu is selling consulting for "your" projects and telling why ubuntu is great for developing AI systems.
pjmlp•33m ago
And eventually on Ubuntu itself, who knows.
unlimit•48m ago
You won't regret. I have been using debian for last 25 years on and off and for last 8 years non stop. I have no complains.
wcoenen•54m ago
Do you have "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" enabled? This automatically installs preview releases, so you may unwittingly be doing QA for Microsoft.
pjmlp•49m ago
That isn't going well for Satya.
oefrha•48m ago
I try GitHub Copilot every once in a while, and just last month it still managed to produce diffs with unbalanced curly braces, or tried to insert (what should be) a top-level function into the middle of another function and screw up everything. This wasn’t on a free model like GPT 4.1 or 5-mini, IIRC it was 5.2 Codex. What the actual fuck? Only explanation I can come up with is that their pay-per-request model made GHC really stingy with using tokens for context, even when you explicitly ask it to read certain files it ends up grepping and adding a couple lines.
kcb•45m ago
And probably running on their macbooks...
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