Did Oracle spin off Cerner yet?
So far, the circular financing from Nvidia has been peanuts for the company. It's roughly equal to giving 5% discount on hardware, not a big deal when the profit margin is 70%. Trying to prop up new neoclouds and competition is a good idea.
As I understand it, the OpenAI investment was much bigger effective discount but still safe because Nvidia invests gradually in installments only when OpenAI invests in data centers: tit for tat. Maybe OpenAI wanted to get the money now and invest it later, as they seem to be running out of cash.
How do we know it wasn't? OpenAI isn't a publicly traded company, and I guess no one who dares writing anything here actually knows how the numbers look on the inside, so for what we know, it could very well have been worse for OpenAI than Nvidia.
OpenAI is going to be competing for third or fourth place with Anthropic unless one of them pulls off a big capabilities or efficiency leap while remaining believably as good as the other top models. Google and xAI have advantages that the others don't, and are capitalizing on them like crazy. It remains to be seen whether xAI can compete with the Google hardware advantage, but they have economies of scale, differences in mission, and Elon's billions on their side, so it's turning out to be a very interesting race.
Sama could also finagle a funding rabbit or strategic partnership out of his hat and also have the next top tier model, amazing everyone again and keeping a plausible "best in class" lead for a while; OpenAI would have to be down for at least a year before I counted it out completely. It's not looking very pretty for them right now, though.
Nvidia might have wanted more exclusivity/attachment. And OpenAI still seems to have no problem raising money. So maybe there was just a commitment mismatch
Pure speculation though
Enron thought the same thing. Until they had a closer look at what their middle managers were actually doing to the books.
1. Micro$lop Copilot has had terrible business adoption
2. Micro$lop pushed AI everywhere making Windows the most useless OS ever
3. The above made everybody to hate AI, more than they already did forcing people to Linux including gamers which was the only major reason towards Linux, no anymore thanks to Valve!!
4. Micro$lop isn't using Copilot themselves but Claude. Let that sink in.
5. OpenAI is bleeding money since day one
6. ChatGPT4 to 5 getting worse tells something is broken there
7. Companies workflow worldwide broke with ChatGPT5
8. Apple, late as usual, adopted Google Gemini over ChatGPT
9. nVidia practices towards AI + GPU broke trust worldwide
10. When China released their own AI without massive GPUs, the market "crashed". Now we can run a somewhat okay local LLM into our homelabs and even CPU only laptops.
11. It was made clear about big techs doing AI circular investment, waking up investors
12. Company after company are realizing that AI cannot be used for everything
13. Companies are hiring freelancer developers to fix their AI messy code, it is one of the most well paid and in demand job right now.
14. The hype is gone, reality is hitting hard
AI still isnt just hype tho and remains the greatest digital tool ever made by people.
The reality remains that if you adopt AI into your workforce, not replace your workforce with AI, use AI to help with your work - you can do a lot more and faster too.
I just downloaded deepseek on my Win 11 PC - Copilot is obviously more integrated but its not that bad at all. Copilot is very limited in the boxes Microsoft built into it but it is a great tool for average people that only need to interact with AI occasionally to search the internet.
thenaturalist•1h ago
Microslop CEO begging for AI $$$ because astronomical overprovisioning is becoming obvious, all big spenders frantically trying to hide CapEx from their books and hallucinate revenue projections like its Enron reloaded and Oracle is already getting sued by bondholders over AI spend [0].
It will be worse than the dot com bust.
0: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulat...
joe_mamba•1h ago
And whose fault is that?
MassiveQuasar•1h ago
jgeada•1h ago
However, the consequences are always applied to everyone but the executives and board.
mschuster91•24m ago
Primarily the fault of our governments not using anti-trust laws for real in, like, decades.
Governments actually do have the power to regulate the economy and to prevent catastrophic crashes from occurring. The warning signs for the AI bubble have been visible for well over a year now, when the entity relationship map between the major players began to resemble a Habsburg family tree... and yet, nothing was done.
chasd00•1h ago
https://ts2.tech/en/coreweave-stock-slips-as-class-action-no...
BoorishBears•21m ago
Right we have a loop where AI is so expensive (because it's priced to feast on B2B margins) that the best consumer experiences aren't affordable, and they're not affordable so they don't go mainstream, and they're not mainstream so no one is willing to take less money and bank on the incredible volume that would emerge if it went mainstream.
If we can get model pricing cheaper AI entertainment alone will probably carry things (I'm 99% sure NovelAI is already one of their largest customers outside of major AI labs)
nick__m•1h ago
ars•1h ago
https://www.investopedia.com/your-s-and-p-500-index-fund-mig...
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/22/your-portfolio-may-be-more-t...
pc86•57m ago
But you're more likely to just cash out early, lose a bunch of gains, then buy back in later at higher prices.
If you can time the crash you can make a shitload of money. But you can't, so you'll come out better if you just keep buying in every paycheck and ride it out just like you have been.
RyanOD•43m ago
nick__m•38m ago