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Uber Found Liable in Rape by Driver, Setting Stage for Cases

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/05/business/uber-safety-rape-verdict.html
44•buellerbueller•2h ago

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Pwntastic•2h ago
https://archive.ph/5wF6Z
josefritzishere•1h ago
Uber was found liable of "apparent agency" if you are interested: https://legal-resources.uslegalforms.com/a/apparent-agency
richwater•1h ago
No idea how you can hold a company liable for the crimes committed by employees, regardless of how awful those crimes might be. I assume this will get overturned.
cute_boi•1h ago
I agree the company shouldn’t be held liable. But Uber doesn’t vet drivers properly because they want driver numbers to be high. I see too many Uber vehicles where the driver doesn’t match the name/photo.
Edman274•1h ago
What incentive would there be for a gig company like Uber to not deliberately hire criminals if Uber isn't liable, but other companies could be? Reputational damage isn't enough to hurt the bottom line and to change behavior - if it were, they would've already done more, but they didn't because they were operating under the assumption that they were legally insulated.
bonsai_spool•1h ago
> No idea how you can hold a company liable for the crimes committed by employees

This is quite standard actually, and there's a long common law tradition around this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior).

The question here was whether Uber could claim the drivers were not, in fact, employees.

(edit: A commenter correctly explains that no employee relationship is necessarily required; I should have stated that this was one part of Uber's defense, in addition to the driver having agreed not to assault riders and having undergone a safety screening)

carlosjobim•1h ago
Do you think Uber instructed their drivers to rape people?

According to the article you linked to, a similar case was already tried in 1838, when a boy fell off a wagon, and the master was not guilty of the behaviour of the wagon driver.

buellerbueller•1h ago
>Do you think Uber instructed their drivers to rape people?

Is that the legal standard here? No.

carlosjobim•1h ago
Yes, that's the legal standard. You should read the linked article. A company is only responsible for crimes or injuries their employees commit, if these are part of what they've been instructed to do by the company.

How can you even think another way? Only the rapist is guilty of rape. Any other thinking is apologizing for heinous crimes.

surgical_fire•1h ago
> A company is only responsible for crimes or injuries their employees commit, if these are part of what they've been instructed to do by the company.

Are you trying to imply that the driver was not instructed by Uber to pick the woman who was raped?

> How can you even think another way? Only the rapist is guilty of rape. Any other thinking is apologizing for heinous crimes.

The company is responsible for sending a rapist to pick up the woman that was raped.

ceejayoz•1h ago
> Only the rapist is guilty of rape.

Sure. If Uber was convicted of the crime of rape here, that'd be weird.

They were found civilly liable. Because of things like this:

> Over three weeks, jurors weighed the harrowing personal account of Ms. Dean as well as testimony from Uber executives and thousands of pages of internal company documents, including some showing that Uber had flagged her ride as a higher risk for a serious safety incident moments before she was picked up. Uber never warned her, with an executive testifying that it would have been “impractical” to do so.

carlosjobim•12m ago
Do you know what that serious safety incident was? I don't. I don't find support in the article of any connection. It could have been reckless driving, or it could have been sexual in nature. What it was makes a lot of difference.
ceejayoz•6m ago
It may surprise you, but a four week jury trial covers a few more bases than a short article can fully detail. That said, this definitely has an answer:

https://www.courthousenews.com/in-sexual-assault-trial-uber-...

> When matching drivers with riders, Uber uses an AI-powered safety feature called the safety ride assistant dispatch, or SRAD. SRAD gives potential driver-rider matches a score from 0 to 1 based on potential for sexual assault and aims to make matches with the lowest risk.

Edman274•1h ago
If Uber had an internal policy of only ever hiring convicted rapists, didn't tell anyone using the app this, didn't warn about unsafe rides, didn't record ride information, and (crucially) also didn't tell their employees to do anything other than to be decent, good, hardworking drivers -- what do you believe their liability should be in this case? Nothing? I'm trying to "steelman" the implications of your point of view but I'm struggling here. When does liability kick in for you - is it only if they enshrine it as policy to do the criminal act?
carlosjobim•49m ago
I don't think there's anything very complicated here. We don't need to make up unreal scenarios.

For example a company can instruct a truck driver what time he needs to have the goods delivered, then the company is also to blame if he has an accident because the schedule was unfeasible while following safe driving practices.

Or a company which is dumping harmful chemicals into the environment.

A cab driver raping a passenger is unfortunately not an isolated happening, it's not particular to Uber.

bonsai_spool•45m ago
> According to the article you linked to

The article goes on to explain that the 1838 view has been adjusted over time, and the linked source discusses this in better detail.

https://scholarship.kentlaw.iit.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?refe...

klodolph•1h ago
Respondeat superior and vicarious liability don’t specifically require an employer-employee relationship.
bonsai_spool•50m ago
Yes, agreed - I should have stated that this was one part of Uber's defense, in addition to the driver having agreed not to assault riders and having undergone a safety screening.
buellerbueller•1h ago
Is an owner of a dog that mauls someone responsible for damages to the victim?
GaryBluto•1h ago
Do companies own their workers?
buellerbueller•1h ago
There are jobs where anything the employee does on company time is owned by the company.
Edman274•1h ago
The companies themselves certainly think they do when they give tasks for their workers by dictating the duration, manner, and other terms of employment. Why should they be able to have it both ways? No risk, all reward?
quickthrowman•1h ago
If one of my electricians accidentally bangs a sprinkler head and thousands of gallons of water dump into the building, my company is responsible for any damages. Obviously we’re insured against these risks, but we’re liable.

There’s almost always a contract that spells it out, but in the situation where there is no explicit contract, I’d expect that we’re still liable.

My electricians are W2 employees and not contractors, and it’s possible that construction has different laws regarding liability than a ride share company that uses contractors, so they’re not equivalent, and I am not a lawyer.

kingstnap•1h ago
Extremely strange analogy. Uber drivers aren't per dogs. They are adult humans you can make them liable for shit they do.
buellerbueller•1h ago
You can make both liable, too.
hackingonempty•1h ago
It probably depends on the state but in California, yes. Dog owners there are strictly liable for any injuries caused by their dogs unless the victim was trespassing.
JohnTHaller•1h ago
If you go into Walmart and one of its employees assaults you, Walmart can be held liable.
pacificmint•1h ago
I mean, it’s not quite that simple, is it? Did they do everything they could to make drivers and passengers safe? Or did they put profits over people’s safety?

From the article:

> internal company documents […] showing that Uber had flagged her ride as a higher risk for a serious safety incident moments before she was picked up. Uber never warned her […]

Uber actually had a whole project that produced systems that determine the risk of incidents happening. Could they make rides safer but chose not to? That’s at the core of these lawsuits.

satellite2•1h ago
Interesting. When it's the state I think the overwhelming opinion is that predictive policing is dangerous but when it's a private company we actually want it to enforce it?
itsdesmond•1h ago
They could not be held accountable to warn her if they had not done the analysis. They did. Their organizational conclusion was that it was potentially an unsafe trip. Shit, they could have just cancelled the ride dynamically and re-assigned her. Why wouldn’t they do that? It’d probably be more expensive. Maybe they’d get more cancelled rides. Maybe this woman wouldn’t have been raped by an agent of Uber selected for and sent to her by them.
satellite2•1h ago
Wouldn't they then expose themselves to discrimination and loss of revenue lawsuits from targeted drivers?
itsdesmond•1h ago
It depends. Are the inputs to the algorithm themselves discriminatory? If so, then yes that would be appropriate. But that is a different conversation. They determined the passenger may be unsafe and did nothing.

Mind you, these companies work very hard for us to not know how they match A to B, usually so we don’t notice things like their disregard for safety.

kylehotchkiss•1h ago
Oof, this sounds like a case where executives/management who knew about this tool and didn't act upon it should be charged with accessory-to-crime. There has got to be a moral imperative to act upon tools like this.
nilslindemann•1h ago
If Uber knew but did not warn her, then it's certainly correct that they were convicted.
croes•1h ago
The same companies claim ownership for their employees‘ inventions. So …
b00ty4breakfast•1h ago
The article lists a few reasons why. There were some ("some" meaning "thousands of pages", per the article) documents from the company

>....including some showing that Uber had flagged her ride as a higher risk for a serious safety incident moments before she was picked up. Uber never warned her, with an executive testifying that it would have been “impractical” to do so.

as well as some

>...suggesting that Uber resisted introducing safety features such as in-car cameras because it believed these measures would slow corporate growth.

I would probably have not been included on the jury because I think uber is run by some of the biggest scumbags in the corporate world but if the article is to be believed it's not an unreasonable verdict unless you think no company should be liable for anything that results from their choices and actions.

ktallett•1h ago
Drivers are only independent contractors due to poor employment policy from Uber. They work for Uber, therefore Uber do have a duty of care to the users of their service. Now some may say that they only provide the platform similar to Silkroad, however the key difference is that the drivers are representing Uber, in Silkroad's case the sellers were not representing silkroad.

If Uber wish to be seperate from those drivers, they need to provide the customer the chance to choose the driver, and have an appropriate review system.

Ekaros•1h ago
Uber isn't a marketplace like say Ebay. As such I expect them to be responsible for the actions of "contractors" they appointed to do the job. As the buyer couldn't freely choose the contractor.
buellerbueller•1h ago
I think this is exactly the point that GP commenter is making.
jqpabc123•1h ago
If Uber can be held liable for driver's actions then Tesla can be held liable for "Full Self Driving" cars that aren't.
buellerbueller•1h ago
Let's hope.
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