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ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/asml-unveils-euv-light-source-advance-that-could-yield-50-more-chips-by-2030-2026-02-23/
113•pieterr•3h ago

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throw0101a•1h ago
So how small are individual components (e.g., transistors) nowadays? Presumably there's a lower limit: once you're a few atoms across, it seems that you can't go any smaller (?).
whazor•1h ago
This is about increasing output per machine via upgrades.
ranger_danger•1h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_nm_process
hinkley•50m ago
I still think we should have gone with average gates per square mm as a new yardstick. It would also make sense to the Numbers Go Up people.
ahazred8ta•1h ago
Gates are about 30-50 nm wide, even though they're called '3nm' for marketing reasons.
phkahler•9m ago
Metal pitch is 26nm. That means parallel wires can be placed 2 wavelengths apart with 13.5nm light.
cyptus•28m ago
some gates are only 10-14 nm wide, thats about 50 silicon atoms!
et1337•1h ago
This video is a really cool dive into EUV for the uninitiated (me) https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L
hinkley•1h ago
The whole “exploding tiny drops of metal” in the middle of this is just Loony Toons. This machine is literally insane and two of the companies I am long-long on would be completely fucked without it.
patmorgan23•1h ago
You forgot WITH LASERS, and IN A VACUUM
atonse•46m ago
Yes it was crazy when I first heard about it "wait what? they shoot it in mid-air?" and that was before I found out they did that like 30k times a second.

But now 100k times a second apparently. Humans are amazing.

hinkley•27m ago
You have a machine that’s basically a clean room inside and one of the parts is essentially electrosputtering tin but then throwing all the tin away and using the EM pulse from the sputter to do work.

Oh and can you build it so it can run hundreds or thousands of hours before being cleaned? Thanks byyyyyyyyeeeeee!

culi•1h ago
Here's your link without the surveillance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUHjLxm3V0

skrebbel•41m ago
With slightly less surveillance
hinkley•58m ago
Okay this is weird.

> The key advancements in Monday's disclosure involved doubling the number of tin drops to about 100,000 every second, and shaping them into plasma using two smaller laser bursts, as opposed to today's machines that use a single shaping burst.

This is covered in that video. Did they let him leak their Q1 plans?

eddyg•49m ago
Or this video, which came out before Veritasium's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2482h_TNwg

Hikikomori•33m ago
https://youtu.be/NGFhc8R_uO4

Or this presentation which came out way long ago.

seanalltogether•12m ago
The thing I didn't understand after watching that video was why you need such an exotic solution to produce EUV light. We can make lights no problem in the visible spectrum, we can make xray machines easily enough that every doctors office can afford one, what is it specifically about those wavelengths that are so tricky.
on_the_train•6m ago
It really is the specific wavelength. Higher or lower is easier. But euv has tricky properties which make it feasible for Lithography (although just barely it you have a look at the optics) but hard to produce with high intensities.
on_the_train•1h ago
This is a steep increase of power to get out of a vacuum system that is highly sensitive to temperature changes.
onjectic•1h ago
> SAN DIEGO, California

> to help retain the Dutch company's edge over emerging U.S. and Chinese rivals

Great news, but what a strange attempt to equate the U.S. and China in this and build a narrative. Cymer was founded in San Diego.

petcat•1h ago
Yeah it's an interesting angle in the article. The EUV light source technology is completely designed, developed, and manufactured by Cymer in California, which is a US company that ASML acquired in 2013. If export control agreements were not in place then ASML would have never been permitted to acquire Cymer. And if they are not enforced then the US would almost certainly require ASML to sell Cymer back to US ownership, TikTok-style.

The reality is that it's American technology that is used in ASML machines so I don't know why the article tries to frame it like it's a competition.

ahartmetz•23m ago
Which American rival would that be anyway? I have not heard of any.
petcat•11m ago
xLight is the promising new US competitor to Cymer. Lots of funding from the US CHIPS And Science Act. Founded by Dept. of Energy engineers who formerly worked on large-scale X-Ray systems and particle accelerators.
christkv•8m ago
I think the Japanese are also working on potentially competing technology
xnx•1h ago
> The company's researchers have found a way to boost the power of the EUV light source to 1,000 watts from 600 watts now.

> "We see a reasonably clear path toward 1,500 watts, and no fundamental reason why we couldn't get to 2,000 watts."

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ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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