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LLMs Predict My Coffee

https://dynomight.net/coffee/
34•surprisetalk•4d ago

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amha•1h ago
There's a simple differential equation often taught in intro calc courses, "Newton's Law of Cooling/Heating," which basically says that the rate of heat loss is proportional to the difference in temperature between a substance and its environment. I'm curious what that'd look like here. It's a very simple model, of course, not taking into account all the variables that Dynomight points out, but if a simple model can be nearly as predictive as more complex models...

I'm also curious to see the details of the models that Dynomight's LLMs produced!

3eb7988a1663•1h ago
The appendix lists the equations transcribed from the raw answers.

  LLM  T(t)  Cost
  Kimi K2.5 (reasoning)  20 + 52.9 exp(-t/3600)+ 27.1 exp(-t/80)  $0.01
  Gemini 3.1 Pro  20 + 53 exp(-t/2500) + 27 exp(-t/149.25)  $0.09
  GPT 5.4  20 + 54.6 exp(-t/2920) + 25.4 exp(-t/68.1)  $0.11
  Claude 4.6 Opus (reasoning)  20 + 55 exp(-t/1700) + 25 exp(-t/43)  $0.61 (eeek)
  Qwen3-235B  20 + 53.17 exp(-t/1414.43)  $0.009
  GLM-4.7 (reasoning)  20 + 53.2 exp(-t/2500)  $0.03
kurthr•56m ago
It looks like a lot of them are missing something big. I'd think the two big ones are the evaporative cooling as you pour into the cup, and heating up the cup (by convection) itself. The convective cooling to the air is tertiary, but important (and conduction of the mug to the table probably isn't completely negligible). If there's only one exponential, they're definitely doing something wrong.

I'd like to see a sensitivity study to see how much those terms would need to be changed to match within a few %. Exponentials are really tweaky!

amelius•45m ago
That model doesn't explain the relatively sharp drop in the beginning.
coder68•33m ago
It does? There is a fast drop followed by a long decay, exponential in fact. The cooling rate is proportional to the temperature difference, so the drop is sharpest at the very beginning when the object is hottest.
amelius•28m ago
I mean that initial drop doesn't look like it is part of the same exponential decay.
bryan0•26m ago
Are you sure? I believe Newtown's law of cooling says the temperature will drop sharply at the beginning:

dT/dt = -k(T_0 - T_room)

so T(t) = T_room + (T_0 - T_room)

exp(-kt)

exp(-x) has a fast drop off then levels off.

andy99•57m ago

  Does that seem hard? I think it’s hard. The relevant physical phenomena include at least..,
In most engineering problems, the starting point is recognizing that usually one or two key things will dominate and the rest won’t matter.
kaelandt•55m ago
It isn't that surprising that it works well, this problem is fairly well known and some simple heat equations would lead to the result, about which there is a lot of training data online.
leecommamichael•22m ago
... and so another benchmark is born.

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