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Country that put backdoors in Cisco routers to spy on world bans foreign routers

https://www.theregister.com/2026/03/24/fcc_foreign_routers/
83•beardyw•1h ago

Comments

themafia•1h ago
A USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product. The results are exactly what you would have expected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4COrX9YHcU

palmotea•1h ago
> A USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product. The results are exactly what you would have expected:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4COrX9YHcU

You're linking to a 36 minute video titled "Black Hat USA 2025 | China's 5+ Year Campaign to Penetrate Perimeter Network Defenses." There's nothing in the description about "USA company bought an Indian OS to turn into it's SOHO router/firewall product."

Either you linked the wrong thing or you need a better source.

themafia•1h ago
> Either you linked the wrong thing

I did not. The speaker clearly says in the video, twice, that they bought their OS from an Indian company. Anyways, here's the direct link to the quote:

https://youtu.be/z4COrX9YHcU?si=hzsYtprPeYkEC9DF&t=303

Perhaps your assumption should be that your efforts were inadequate rather than others.

You also could have opened the transcription panel and literally just searched for "india."

tptacek•1h ago
Um, this is not an example of hypocrisy? If I punch you in the nose, I am not a hypocrite if I block your attempt to punch me back.
convolvatron•1h ago
apparently the kind of people that whine the most loudly about being punched turn out to be real avid punchers themselves.
tptacek•1h ago
People who are good at punching tend also to be good at avoiding punches.
CoastalCoder•1h ago
Good point.

If people are calling this hypocrisy, then I suspect there's a larger moral argument that hasn't been articulated.

fooqux•1h ago
I'm pretty sure they don't care about hypocrisy. They have the power to do this and get away with it, so they do.
tptacek•1h ago
Oh, I agree, but the article says:

There is an element of hypocrisy in all this because American intelligence agencies were previously caught intercepting Cisco-made routers on their way to customers

No there isn't! That's not hypocritical! Words mean things!

orwin•1h ago
I agree it's not hypocrisy, but I can see the element of hypocrisy, if I understand their meaning correctly.
tptacek•1h ago
Can you help me understand it then? I assume it's some kind of "turnabout is fair play" thing?
esafak•1h ago
No-one will be sad if you do get punched in the nose.
adventured•1h ago
The US hasn't really needed that kind of sympathy since the 1860s Civil War.

Other nations being sad when you get punched in the nose is only useful if you have no effective way to respond.

Half the world disliked the US during the Cold War. People act like any of what is going on is new.

nclin_•1h ago
Power revels in hypocrisy: Rules protect the in-group but do not bind them, and bind the out-group but do not protect them.

It's not just logical, it's affective: There is a real pleasure in domination, and a real fear in any loss of control. It feels good to be strong, to be in control, to be protected but not bound. Domination is hegemony, hegemony is safety.

These billionaires genuinely feel themselves to be oppressed if their power is threatened in any way. [1]

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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no

tptacek•1h ago
Life is a mystery. Everyone must stand alone!
GorbachevyChase•39m ago
There is no rule based order, and when it comes to state security establishments, the US or any other, there are no good guys.
tptacek•27m ago
I agree with that too, but that doesn't make the "hypocrisy" line make any more sense.
keybored•31m ago
US domestic propaganda is built on hypocrisy (we need to stop X from doing Y... which we or our allies are doing already). It might not be explicitly stated right here, on this matter (contrary to The Register), but that’s the backdrop.

Calling it hypocrisy is at the very least good propaganda to try to wake Americans up from their stupor.

Admittedly though with Trump there’s no hypocritical propaganda any more. He just says he “wants the oil” or whatever.

tptacek•28m ago
It is not my argument that the US isn't generally hypocritical.
orwin•1h ago
My company new installation now use Siemens routers. It seems a few will keep Cisco though, so we have yet another provider. More work for me I guess.
jdlyga•1h ago
This is just geopolitics. You should've seen what the US and Europe did during the Cold War.
mikkupikku•1h ago
> country which once exploited an attack vector is now trying to protect itself on that vector

I have no doubt that American efforts at security on this front are inadaquate, incompetent, etc. But hypocritical? Nah.

MisterTea•52m ago
> Country that put backdoors into Cisco routers to spy on world bans foreign routers

Says the tech rag hailing from the 5-eyes nation known as the UK...

drivingmenuts•51m ago
If I was more paranoid, I'd start thinking the ban is to make it easier to spy on us by limiting our choices to a few domestic vendors who can be coerced by regulatory capture and "for the kids" political rhetoric.
john_strinlai•42m ago
that makes sense, but i suspect it is more likely to be a bribery scheme. ("why not both!" someone yells)
drivingmenuts•9m ago
Sooner or later, some idiot lawmaker/opportunist is going to insist on 1) age checks to connect to a router and 2) content filters for routers, both of which can be used to score cheap political points.
nizbit•37m ago
Cisco been hiding this in plain sight since 2004: https://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/CSD4291.pdf

Love seeing pop up like it’s new or something.

nrki•10m ago
Huh? LI is standard on like every internet router there is.
soumyaskartha•25m ago
The audacity of banning others for doing exactly what you got caught doing. At least be subtle about
ahartmetz•21m ago
There is no contradiction if you see it as a power struggle rather than an ethical matter.
ChrisArchitect•14m ago
[dupe] Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47495344
hunter2_•11m ago
If we set aside geopolitics and purely consider whether tightening the security of private networks is sensible whatsoever: are routers a substantially bigger threat than client devices such as the various IoT knickknacks (smart TVs, smart switches/outlets, smart appliances, etc.)? Controlling the NAT/firewall features is handy for opening ports and working around VLAN segmentation, but that isn't required for many scenarios; a compromised client device can often snoop on the rest of the network and exfiltrate what it discovers just fine even with an uncompromised router.
juliusceasar•10m ago
Israel did the same in Netherlands with the biggest telecom KPN.

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