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Trump administration orders dismantling of the U.S. Forest Service

https://www.hatchmag.com/articles/trump-administration-orders-dismantling-us-forest-service/7716263
103•dxs•2h ago

Comments

nacozarina•1h ago
Vile
convolvatron•1h ago
in FY2024 the entire budget for the Forest Service was $10.8B
actionfromafar•1h ago
1 day of military special operations?
AmVess•1h ago
Have to pay for the pending war with Cuba somehow.
NooneAtAll3•1h ago
no idea how big or small that is, so here's my OoM analysis:

10B$ is equal to 100k people with 100k$ a year salaries

that's 2k such salaries per state, I guess half or more can be counted for buildings/traveling/equipment expenses

no idea what to do with "1k people per state" estimate tho

Kirby64•44m ago
Budget for an entity costs far, far, far more than just salaries alone. Also, all in cost on a salaried employee is usually 2-3x their actual salary cost… this isn’t 100k people. It’s roughly 35k people (per their own publicly available info) as well as presumably a large amount of actual physical costs. You gotta pay for offices, equipment, consumables, etc etc.
abetusk•18m ago
The US collected $5.23T in tax revenue in 2025, $2.1T is individual income tax [0]. GDP is estimated at around $30T.

Spending on social security is about $680B, medicare is $480B, defense is at $410B [1].

Microsoft's valuation is approx. $2.8T [2], Google $3.8T [3], Amazon $2.3T [4], Facebook $1.6T [5] (Linux supply side is valued at approx. $8.8T).

The FBI employs roughly 38k people with about $10B in funding [7]. The CIA employs roughly 22k people with about $15B (?) in funding [8].

So, from that perspective, $10B is roughly .5% of yearly tax revenue (and about how much the FBI/CIA are funded) and estimated 50k people is about the size of the FBI and CIA combined.

[0] https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/gover...

[1] https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder...

[2] https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSFT/key-statistics/

[3] https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GOOG/key-statistics/

[4] https://companiesmarketcap.com/amazon/marketcap/

[5] https://companiesmarketcap.com/meta-platforms/marketcap/

[6] https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/24-038_51f8444f-...

[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio...

[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency

goatlover•57m ago
So less than 0.03% of the national debt?
tonetheman•1h ago
More vile destruction from the Trump admin.

Wonder who will help for fires now? Conservatives do hate trees I guess.

darth_avocado•1h ago
US is one of the very few countries that is left with irreplaceable natural beauty. It is sad that we’re at a point where a multi trillion dollar economy cannot leave this public treasure alone because private interests want everything to be a race to the bottom.
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
nitpick: I think almost every single country has irreplaceable natural beauty.

It is incredibly sad that the US has come to this though. Yet another example of the country self-harming in ways that will leave permanent scarring.

A quote I've repeated before: "The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment".

Insanity•1h ago
This seems opposite to my experience. Sure, the US has beautiful places (and national parks), but also many visually polluted spaces with ads etc.

I see many other countries in LatAM, Asia etc having just as many beautiful places of nature. And then in Europe there’s the beauty of e.g Gothic architecture in cities that are kept (mostly) clean.

OneMorePerson•44m ago
No matter how beautiful architecture is it's still not natural beauty.

I do agree there's plenty of places in other countries that have natural beauty, but the US has a combination of very large natural spaces, kept in a mostly natural state (not over developed), and does a decent job maintaining it. This is relatively rare (although the US is not the only one).

The US Forest Service has nothing to do with the amount of ads and billboards in US cities.

hackingonempty•1h ago
> private interests want everything to be a race to the bottom

This is also about rich guys wanting to play rancher.

tayo42•1h ago
Isn't there a losing war going on to focus on?
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
What better time to do deeply unpopular things than when everyone is looking the other way?
ChrisArchitect•1h ago
Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47626641
jmward01•1h ago
People like to think the pendulum will always swing back. That is because of survivor bias. They have always seen it swing back. Every fallen civilization believed in the pendulum theory too, until the last one. You can't magically remake our forests. We are just stupid.
csto12•2m ago
This is kind of one of the points I try to make. All of the damage that is being done right now is very hard to fix when we have sane people back in power (if that happens). It’s 100x easier to destroy than build, and we are seeing it happen in real time.
therobots927•1h ago
Let’s not forget all the upstanding tech leaders that stood next to Trump and smiled.

Thanks guys. Thanks for fucking nothing.

skyberrys•12m ago
I'm visiting the Los Padres National Forest this weekend, and reading this story makes me cry for the fleeting beauty that doesn't have to be fleeting yet is. In the name of greed an irreplaceable treasure is being lost. I don't understand why we want something when it costs something we can never replace.

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